Will islam take over the world?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Nora, Jan 20, 2008.

  1. swaymedia

    swaymedia Active Member

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    #261

    If turning the facts into a sitcom extract decieves us, than you failed
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #262
    I am confused?

    1. Do you think Jews control the media?
    2. Do you think Jews control the US government?
    3. Do you think Jews control Banking?

    I thought I hit all the big ones you have been posting about. Did I miss one?
     
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  3. swaymedia

    swaymedia Active Member

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    #263
    excellent finally I can now provide this person (that is defending like he doesnt have a life) with some FACTS (worldwide acknowledged even by Jews):

    Sumner Redstone (US)= OWNS Viacoms - which owns pretty much all of american media - Even influencing Murdochs Sky.

    Philip Green (UK) = Owns pretty much most of the UKs infleuncial fashion stores and TEEN outlets

    I can provide more facts and bios, but I have a life unlike some on this thread.

    If you want me to name the people YOU CAN READ THERE BIOGRAPHIES AND FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE:

    just say yes, and you can be on your way to embarassment
     
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  4. Amr The Egyptian

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    #264
    To the person who posted the thread

    If what you are talking about happened , who told u that muslims in that case will force people to follow islam laws ???

    Do u know that arabian countries were a safe place for jews when the holocaust was taking place and they lived there until they emigrated to Israel after defeating arabs who fought with old weapons they bought from Britain .

    But another holocaust is taking place now . It's the "Palestini holocaust" which Israel is carrying out now .
     
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  5. swaymedia

    swaymedia Active Member

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    #265

    Exactly Amir, but you only got to wait 2 seconds before the supporters of zionist-jews call you, AN ANTI-SEMITE, YET YOU ARE A SEMITE BECUASE YOUR AN EGYPTION LOL
     
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  6. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #266

    Yes, please tell me more.

    I am trying to understand the criteria. Let me ask you a question?

    So if a Jew owning a big store and being a billionaire means he controls the country. Where does someone like billionaire Mohamed Fayed fit. Or is only Jews who own things that concern you?
     
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  7. swaymedia

    swaymedia Active Member

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    #267
    Its funny how you DID NOT respond to Egyptions being imune to being "ANTI-SEMETIC" becuase them and arabs are SEMETIC.

    but anyway your poor, so ill compensate.

    MOHAMMED AL FAYED IS SEMETIC ... lol dude you phail and the anti-semetic "quote" really needs to end you need something better.
     
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  8. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #268
    Antisemitism is prejudice and hostility toward Jews as a religious, racial, or ethnic group. While the term's etymology indicates that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, since its creation it has been used exclusively to refer to hostility towards Jews.​

    Don't play stupid games. The word has a common meaning and usage. Stupid semantic games notwithstanding, it's meaning is clear to everyone but Jew haters who try and twist the meaning to suit their purposes.
     
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  9. swaymedia

    swaymedia Active Member

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    #269

    HAHA - own goal!


    not only becuase I know that, but you just told me it.

    Al fayed and arabs are semetics as stated there, so why would arabs be racist to there own kind.



    "dont play games with me" - hahaha nice one... playing games (if that what you think YOU and I are doing, good luck to the rest of your sub-concious)

    seriously dude ...
     
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  10. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #270
    You posted this:
    "While the term's etymology indicates that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples,"​
    When the whole sentence reads like this:
    "While the term's etymology indicates that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, since its creation it has been used exclusively to refer to hostility towards Jews."​
    By taking just the first part, you miss the point. (or intentionally try to mangle the issue)

    The term is used exclusively to describe hostility toward Jews.

    The word could be anything. And yes, Muslims can be anti-semtic. Because the word means anti-Jew. If it makes you feel better I think you are anti-Jew. Does that help with your confusion?
     
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  11. swaymedia

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    #271
    The Word Does Not Mean Anti Jew, It Says Anti-semetic , it does not say anti-jew, - ANTI-semetic is Anti-EVERYONE WHO IS SEMETIC!!!

    Judaism Is A Religoun, So How Can That Be Anything To Do With Race

    Since Jews Come In Difference Colours, Shapes And Size

    Ffs!! Your Like 12 Years Old, Geez

    It Says Arabs Are Semites Too So I Said How Can They Be Anti-semite????!!!


    FOR GODS SAKE YOU ARE TRYING TO EQUATE RACISM TOWARDS A RELIGOUN LIKE RACISM TOWARDS A RACE FOR EXAMPLE BLACK PEOPLE,... - im am not a racist, BUT JEWS COME IN DIFFERENT COLOURS AND SIZES, ???


    SO WHY IS IT OK FOR YOU TO HATE ON ISLAM AND NOT BE A RACIST, WHILST IF WE HATE ON A RELIGOUN OF JUDAISM, WE A RACIST?
     
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    #272
    your reality has given world decades of killing. it is time to change that.
     
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  13. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #273

    There is a definition for the word antisemitism. You can deny it all you want, but that is the settled definition. I don't know how much you know about words, but the fact that you can make a different interpretation does not make it correct.

    Without any other reference, the word on its own, might seem to refer to all Semites. But that is not how the word is used or what it means. To take that belief knowing the true definition is purposeful ignorance.

    Expressing your hatred of Jews is anti-semitism, it does not matter if they are a race or not. I don't even think I mentioned them being a race. It may have been part of one of the definitions - but unlike you I don't edit those to suit my argument.


    12 was decades ago. Nice try.


    1. Anyone can be an anti-semite.
    2. I have no idea what you are and it makes no difference - see #1
    3. Using the correct definition, it is easy to see how Arabs can be Anti-Semitic.

    Again, I have no idea about your fixation on race. You can be ignorant or hateful toward any number of groups. That hatred has different names depending on who you hate.

    I have no idea what you point is. Are you saying that because Jews are not a race and come in all races, that it is okay to hate them and that it is not anything like racism?

    The rules apply to everyone. There is no difference between someone being a racist against blacks, an anti-semite against Jews or an anti-Muslim against Muslims.

    You are the only trying to make different rules for different groups.
     
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    #274
    This is a serious discussion, alleging that someone is 12 yo just because he does not agree with you isn't proper during such a discussion. swaymedia, it would definitely help you and your credibility to respond in a polite and factual manner to concentrate on whats being discussed and avoid sentences in the likes of

     
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  15. swaymedia

    swaymedia Active Member

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    #275
    Any intellect looking at what you just wrought is aloud of utter made up rubbish, trying to make long lieing posts to try and fool people.


    FACT = ARABS are Semites (Arabs look more semetic than Jews do)

    FACT = JEWS are Semites (even though some just completly dont speak it or even look it)

    FACT = ANTI-SEMITISM means ANTI-the above of whom are Semetic.

    just becuase in the past people have referred to jews it doesnt mean they cant refer to arabs. (Because ARABS ARE SEMITES TOO)


    FACT = Judaism is a Religoun

    FACT = Arabs are not a Religoun there a race

    FACT = IT IS NOT LOGICAL THAT ONE CAN BE RACIST TOWARDS A RELIGOUN


    CONCLUSION = anti-semites are People who are against Semetic People. Hebrews are semetic and So are Arabs, - so it is NOT logical for you to say that Anti-Semite means only against Jews


    you can lie all day long but the lies are easily seeable

    If one is a Semite (being Arab) and is critizing Jews invading Arab land, How can that Arab be an Anti-Semite towards the Jew (Even though judaism is just a religoun and not a race) even though the Arab is a Semite?

    ... please keep lieing ... your ownly shedding more light


    Im sure you must have seen the post of where he Alleged my mother did not teach me the difference between lies and no lies, this is an offence to my mother.


    If your gonna take sides then we can see blatanly what your trying to do, undermining the Democracy of Digital Point... I could assume that you are Aligning your self with a community and a side, whilst posting as an autherative
     
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  16. browntwn

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    #276
    ANTISEMITISM
    Etymology and usage

    The term Semite refers broadly to speakers of a language group which includes both Arabs and Jews. However, the term antisemitism is specifically used in reference to attitudes held towards Jews. The word antisemitic (antisemitisch in German) was probably first used in 1860 by the Austrian Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider in the phrase "antisemitic prejudices" (German: "antisemitische Vorurteile").[7] Steinschneider used this phrase to characterize Ernest Renan's ideas about how "Semitic races" were inferior to "Aryan races." These pseudo-scientific theories concerning race, civilization, and "progress" had become quite widespread in Europe in the second half of the 19th century, especially as Prussian nationalistic historian Heinrich von Treitschke did much to promote this form of racism. In Treitschke's writings Semitic was synonymous with Jewish, in contrast to its usage by Renan and others.

    In 1879 German political agitator Wilhelm Marr used the phrase Judenhass (hatred of Jews) in his book "The Victory of Judaism over Germanicism. Observed from a non-religious perspective." ("Der Sieg des Judenthums über das Germanenthum. Vom nicht confessionellen Standpunkt aus betrachtet.") to make hatred of the Jews seem rational and sanctioned by scientific knowledge.[8] In his next book, "The Way to Victory of Germanicism over Judaism", published in 1880, Marr developed his ideas further and coined the related German word Antisemitismus - antisemitism.

    The book became very popular, and in the same year he founded the "League of Antisemites" ("Antisemiten-Liga"), the first German organization committed specifically to combatting the alleged threat to Germany posed by the Jews, and advocating their forced removal from the country.

    So far as can be ascertained, the word was first widely printed in 1881, when Marr published "Zwanglose Antisemitische Hefte," and Wilhelm Scherer used the term "Antisemiten" in the January issue of "Neue Freie Presse". The related word semitism was coined around 1885. See also the coinage of the term "Palestinian" by Germans to refer to ethnic Jews, as distinct from the religion of Judaism.

    Despite the use of the prefix "anti," the terms Semitic and anti-Semitic are not directly opposed to each other (unlike similar-seeming terms such as anti-American or anti-Hellenic). To avoid the confusion of the misnomer, many scholars on the subject (such as Emil Fackenheim) now favor the unhyphenated antisemitism[9] in order to emphasize that the word should be read as a single unified term, not as a meaningful root word-prefix combination.

    The term antisemitism has historically referred to prejudice against Jews alone, and this was the only use of the word for more than a century. It does not traditionally refer to prejudice against other people who speak Semitic languages (e.g. Arabs or Assyrians). Bernard Lewis, Professor of Near Eastern Studies Emeritus at Princeton University, says that "Antisemitism has never anywhere been concerned with anyone but Jews."[1] Yehuda Bauer also articulated this view in his writings and lectures: (the term) "Antisemitism, especially in its hyphenated spelling, is inane nonsense, because there is no Semitism that you can be anti to."[10][11] A similar point is made by Professor Shmuel Almog, of the Institute of Contemporary Jewry at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, who writes "So the hyphen, or rather its omission, conveys a message; if you hyphenate your 'anti-Semitism', you attach some credence to the very foundation on which the whole thing rests."[12]

    In recent decades some groups have argued that the term should be extended to include prejudice against Arabs or Anti-Arabism[citation needed], in the context of answering accusations of Arab antisemitism; further, some, including the Islamic Association of Palestine, have argued that this implies that Arabs cannot, by definition, be antisemitic.[citation needed] The argument runs that since the Semitic language family includes Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic languages and the historical term "Semite" refers to all those who consider themselves descendants of the Biblical Shem, "anti-Semitism" should be likewise inclusive. However, this usage is not generally accepted.

    That is from Wiki. But of course you keep accusing me of lying for using the historic and accepted definition.
     
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    #277
    of course that is from wikipedia, but let me guess an Arab (race) wrote that article,... nah could it have been a Jew (religoun)? - with that copy and paste are you disregarding the facts that I already stated?

    just becuase hitler refered to the jews as anti-semetism. it doesnt mean others cant refer to arabs as anti-semism. ... can i make it any clearer?
     
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    #278
    You have made your thinking on Jews and Antisemitism very clear for everyone.

    You have also demonstrated your ability to distill and comprehend the written word.
     
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    omg your still calling me an anti-semite... I have proofed my self time and time again... yet the fact that I critizise israels actions just makes you want to lie. Basically you have stated that you lied and you cant be bothered to carry on lieing becuase I keep providing facts.

    I am Semetic myself, I am Arabic, I decend from the Aramiacs ( A LANGUAGE JESUS SPOKE INCASE YOU DIDNT KNOW)... HOW COULD I BE RACIST TO MY OWN SEMITE KIND

    YET YOUR STORY IS JUST ABOUT A RELIGOUN, HOW CAN I BE RACIST TO A RELIGOUN??? .... your full of lies its almost unbelieable.. I think its you who have made it clear that you cant take criticism against Israel.


    basically this is the equivalent of this debate you have led us into : - A british man Critizes Australia, and then an Australian calls the British man a Racist, when they both decend from the same race.

    Its like being called a RACIST IF SOMEONE CRITIZES BRITAIN?


    your fall of lies and its written all over your posts
     
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    #280


    I did not call you an anti-semite in that post. If you read, I merely said that you had made your views on Antisemitism clear. Which I think you have ad nauseum at this point.

    Thanks for adding more facts for people to judge my second sentence.
     
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