NATO Summit Bucharest

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Is NATO necessary in our days?

Poll closed Apr 5, 2008.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. #1
    Today will start the NATO Summit in Bucharest, Romania. In this years summit, NATO will discuss the status of 3 new members: Croatia, Macedonia and Albania.
    At this summit will participate president Putin to, so it will be a historical summit. At this summit will participate 50 presidents and prime ministers from the NATO countries and also from NATO allies.
    Let's talk about the changes that are happening this days, about the role of NATO in world politics. Do you agree with NATO or you think that it is not necessary.
    I am waiting for your comments
     
    nebhotep, Mar 31, 2008 IP
  2. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    We don't need NATO.
     
    guerilla, Apr 1, 2008 IP
  3. iul

    iul Well-Known Member

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    #3
    The only question is why the hell they chose that shithole to have a meeting in.

    Anyway, NATO is no longer needed IMO. Russia is no longer such a big threat. I bet Romania will send more troops in Afghanistan or Iraq after this meeting :(
     
    iul, Apr 1, 2008 IP
  4. nebhotep

    nebhotep Active Member

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    Maybe you are right. But NATO exists and it is expanding even if Russia does not like this.

    In our days NATO is no longer a weapon against Russia. It can be used to fight terrorist countries and it might also be used against Iran. This way the US does not have to support by itself the cost of a war.
     
    nebhotep, Apr 2, 2008 IP
  5. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    Do NATO need Georgia and Ukrain ? or do they need NATO ?
     
    ziya, Apr 2, 2008 IP
  6. nebhotep

    nebhotep Active Member

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    I think is a matter of better to be with us than against us. By admitting Georgia and Ukrain in NATO, US will ensure that those countries will not be under Russia's military influence. In case of trouble , those to countries should be by US part.
     
    nebhotep, Apr 2, 2008 IP
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    gauharjk Notable Member

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    Oh... So, NATO is another attempt to forge a One World Global Military against Terrorists...
     
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  8. mythbuster08

    mythbuster08 Peon

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    In case of Ukraine, Russia does not need any military power. Or would Bush pay Ukraine's gas bills?
     
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  9. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    It seems Georgia and Ukrain denied by NATO ..
     
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  10. nebhotep

    nebhotep Active Member

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    Also Macedonia will not be admitted because Greece does not agrees the name of the country as Macedonia is also the name of one of his regions.
     
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  11. spiritfly

    spiritfly Well-Known Member

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    #11
    Yes, the so-called "name issue". Greece claims that, but the issue is not, and never really was about the name. It is about the occupied part of Macedonia, called Aegean Macedonia which was forcefully assimilated during the last hundred years. Its about the most terrifying genocide done against the macedonian people living in that part during 1912-1913 and again during WWII. The world didn't know about these events(and many still don't) until now, but it will all be revealed soon. Many exiled aegean macedonians still hold their legal papers from their lands, homes and property.

    Greece doesn't have a problem with the name of the Republic of Macedonia, in fact Greece DOESN'T want to see the issue solved. There was an agreement offered right before the NATO summit which was acceptable by both countries, but Greece denied it.
     
    spiritfly, Apr 3, 2008 IP
  12. mythbuster08

    mythbuster08 Peon

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    Let me guess: "Acceptable" was a macedonian definition?

    As I see it: The area belonged to the Osman Empire. OE lost WWI. Everbody was FU'ed. Get over it!
    Fact will be: Macedonia will not be able to enter the EU without officially (!) declaring, that it does not have any plans with the macedonian minority in Greece. And they will have to state that that area belongs to Greece. Period. And the period will be important!
     
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    cientificoloco Well-Known Member

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    #13
    Russia should join NATO!

    will that help? ;)
     
    cientificoloco, Apr 3, 2008 IP
  14. LeoSeo

    LeoSeo Well-Known Member

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    #14
    EU has a history of accepting new members with such disputes, as in 2003, so it's a matter of what will the new participant offers, and where EU stands with the issue, and not Greece's individual benefits.

    Anyways, NATO is no longer needed in this form, it should go through a transitional period, which however, won't just happen before a major conflict.
     
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    Lot of today contries belonged to the Osman Empire including Greece. The name of that area remained to be called Macedonia and the people living there remained Macedonians with their own custom, culture language and all the characteristics that makes one people a civilization, through many ages.

    Was everybody exiled in massive waves, (I mean MASSIVE!) seperating families brothers from sisters, parents from children through all around the world? Burning down whole villages and killing people during a blink of an eye? The only horror greater than this that happened in history is the genocide of the jews. It is a shame that those events occurred during other major happenings and were overlooked by the world's eyes only to remain buried deep in the minds of the victims and their oppressors(which they try to forget so easy).

    BUT the ironic part in the whole story is that the people in the Republic of Macedonia DOES claim that the Aegean part of Macedonia is a territory of todays Greece and everybody is very aware of that fact and are fine with that. Their people only wants to raise their economy, security and start living normal lives again, but the only obstacle to all of that is Greece, which ironically claims that Macedonia has aspirations to claim their territory back and uses that as an argument against Macedonia. That is just silly! How can a country with the size and position of Macedonia oppose to such a force as Greece? We all saw what happened today, how can Macedonia be a threat to Greece? The way I see it is the other way around.
     
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    NATO Expansion Is Aggression
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul449.html

     
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  17. nebhotep

    nebhotep Active Member

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    this years NATO summit seems to be a great victory of Russia, even if it is not a member of the alliance. Ukraine and Georgia did not get the green light they expected, so Putin can celebrate.
     
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    Is NATO only the army of USA against "terrorism" ?
     
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    ziya Well-Known Member

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    Why Georgia and Ukrain not admitted to NATO ( France, Italy, Germany esp.) ?
    Is it because of they are not democratics at all ? Or do European countries waiting new president of USA to make such decision ?
     
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    Because we understand that this is a very important issue for Russia and usually we try to find a compromise.
     
    mythbuster08, Apr 3, 2008 IP