Sweet .... I am glad someone else hasn't followed the sheep .... Thanks for the laugh I was p1ssing myself laughing. Why not ? Maybe they know that there's a lot of effort involved and possibly dollars that need to be spent as well, they may also know that the buyers are dreaming of a quick fix and instant dollars, the likely hood of someone buying the eBook and putting it into practice is about 1 in 1000 - so why not share it ?
Never did I say I'm a badass or anything. I know a lot of people make more than me. I make more than I need, and I'm happy with it. I don't write up my techniques because I like them to still make money... And as for what blackhats are better than ebook peddlers...we don't rip people off(some do, but not because they're blackhat). But nice way to get off topic. Dude, back the hell off. I'm decent, but I'm not a god. Decent enough to know bullshit when I see it. And I don't want your methods. I like coming up with my own. But it sounds like you're pretty much agreeing with me on this, so I don't know wtf you're being so pissy about. The basic point that you're not going to get what you're looking for by some bullshit 9.95 ebook. People who are actually making the kind of money you and I are talking about are NOT going to leak a secret worth a shit for the price this stuff goes for on DP. You think I don't know there's blackhat working methods? I KNOW there is. But bullcrap ebook sellers are pretending they have them all over this board and leeching off of people who probably don't have the money to spare. And even if they do they shouldn't be subjected to it. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're talking about the books on blackhatworld. Well guess what. There's a reason I didn't post this on blackhat world. Because I don't know those ones. But I DO know most of them on DP enough to know they're crap. And you think I'm promoting XRumer? Yeah. Where's my affiliate link for it. What do I possibly have to gain? Nothing. But as far as entry level blackhat goes, I gave people an overview. That stuff is good to learn the mindset, and good to learn the basics. You want me to "bring something to the table"? Whatever dude. Shoot me some IM info, and talk for a bit. I'm not full of shit and you'll see that. And I don't think you are either. I just think you seriously misinterpreted some stuff here.
You do make some good points that there are a lot of scamming eBooks being published, yes I will give you that, but our or at least my point is that : there are some eBooks worth reading. As for sharing secrets and real working methods - well again I speak for my self - I have tried to share some methods with people here on DP and they have different circumstances than me and the methods don't work as well for them (as what they did for me) and in some cases the ended up with a ban (from the ad' networks) and I think that is very common. But like I have said previously, sometimes I will buy the eBook for several reasons and these can be for a laugh, curiosity, to steal an idea or simply because I like the person - and I have found a few good ideas from eBooks.
THank you very much for sharing this info. I will never buy ebooks anymore on how to make lotsssssssss of money online. I bought 2 before, but it didn't help me at all.
+1 Good post. I'm totally agree with topicstarter. All this self claimed gurus makes me remember the quote: 'Don't know how to do it? Teach the others!' Just use your brain, keep experimenting and some day you'll figure it out by yourself.
Great thread, I agree that anyone telling you that you can make money without working for it is full of dung. I have found some ebooks with interesting info but the truth is that out of every 100 people that buy them maybe 2 will actually do anything with what they learned. Too many people are collectors rather than workers. I know many people that own every ebook and software/script that is supposed to make you money that have never even tried them. Most people don't even finish reading them and are already buying another one. I always have to laugh when I see someone selling something and saying its the last thing you'll ever need to buy to make money online - only to turn around and email you daily with new things that you "really need to succeed" What is even sicker is these thieves selling admission to seminars that cost you thousands to attend and then try and take even more of your money by spending 99% of the time trying to sell you even more crap. Why would intelligent people spend thousands for a seminar and then blow their life savings on more crap while at the seminar? Someone mentioned the Rich Jerk, I still can't believe so many people think its a real person. When you really think about it anyone with a brain should be able to see that its a flat out lie. First of all this "Rich jerk" person claims he is lazy, but yet if you look at the info and what he says to do there is no way you can do all of that and still be lazy. Then look at the fact that this jerk was being promoted by all of the top gurus before he even launched - how the hell did they know about him? I'd be willing to bet that the first "gurus" that started spreading the hype are the ones that actually wrote the ebook. Jacob Treant
hi all .. to be exact the one ebook that really change myself in IM was from Corey Rudl...and yep since then, i started to give internet a try and i'm happy with the results so far...and there are few others like Perry Marshall, mainly from the classic Guru's who mainly teach on how to market to people and how to understand their need on internet and bla..bla..bla...thats it...if i want to learn SEO, i just head to forum once in a while...i just vomitt seing those in FREEBIES section where free ebooks/bla bla bla were given to people with short lived ( not living maybe ) formula to success....short formula like WSO, some are good and some suck like hell...and i hardly find guru;s that reveal their weapon to others and teach them how to create those money makers...they just bla bla bla about traffic, about SERp, about latest SEO...i hope those in FREEBIES starts giving some value and stop wasting our time by giving bunch of crap ...heck people won't just click on your affiliate link/cpa link if u promise them heaven...
have to agree with that, "PM me I found a new website that offers so and so $$s", and the "just write pm me" for the link type threads .... I avoid them and it should be banned .... and then when they finally paste the link in the thread and the "PM me's" keep rolling in - now that get's me ....
I think that not all ebooks sold in DP are crap. Some are good. Whether you as a buyer will follow the instruction in the ebook or not; It's your own problem for not taking action. Don't blame the seller. I propose one method to clear out all the crap ebook. Just like clickbank or WSO, we need a 30-days money back guarantee standard to be applied on all ebook sold in Buy and Sell DP. In my perspective review copy itself is not enough to convince the quality of an ebook. For those who agree with me, please post your support here. Thank you.
Nah wouldn't work, there are too many sea gulls, these are the guys that float around the services and sale threads that always ask "Got a review" and "Can I get a review", these guys are always on the ball and grab freebies and reviews and they're always the same people .... so they'd just exploit the 30 day guarantee.
Unfortunately or Fortunately that is how I started just buying worhtless eBooks like RichJerk and Ultimate Wealth Package. Worhtless? Yes.... For a nOOb it is a good start. It can be hard to get straight answers online and advice on how to market or start making money. Now I do not believe in buying any ebooks there is plenty of free information online.
I tend to go with the 80% rule: 80% of everything is crap. But that leaves the other 20%. I bought an inexpensive WSO at warriors forum that really helped me get one of my sites ranked well and dramatically increased my sales. I would have never thought of this technique myself so spending $25 really paid off for me. If interested look for "sparrow" and his "I come clean" WSO.
Very true, but some of the best information you'll never find online because people don't share their best info. Just like people don't share their best custom software. Normally by the time they ever offer it for sale they've already milked it for all its worth. I use a few custom programs that I don't talk about or even hint about what they do. Like someone else said if you have a money printing machine, why sell it? I know my best stuff I would never sell to someone I didn't know and trust. All it takes is one bonehead to start telling people about what they are doing and next thing you know someone is selling your ideas. It's already happened to me once and within a couple months someone was selling a script that was almost exactly what I was using. I know exactly who did it because he was one of the selling it. If I ever did let some people use any of the software I've developed it wouldn't be cheap and I'd only allow a couple people anywhere near it. It doesn't make any sense to devalue a great software by allowing hundreds of people to use it - unless you aren't making money with it and need the cash from selling it. Jacob Treant
I do agree but once in awhile you will find some great information that really helps. Even if someone does give away a secret it does not matter because the reality is a majority of people can have a proven plan laid out right in front of them with proof of results and they still will not take action on it. The marketers selling this information know this and this is why it is not really that big of a deal to let a secret out of the bag every now and then, but usually it is a technique that has been overused already and is washed up. I have been burned so many times by over hyped sales letters which are promising some great technique or secret and it always winds up being the same information with a different twist on it. If you are going to spend your money on information products don't buy the big popular e-books or reports that everyone else is getting. You are better off checking out smaller reports by lesser known marketers. Just make sure that they have a good reputation first and recommendations from other people. I actually recently paid money for some blackhat Craigslist videos and I must say that I was very impressed. I have bought many reports on Craigslist and they all sucked. This one had some very unusual techniques that I have not seen anybody doing and they do work and very well, but I know that most people are never going to try it.
Exactly, too many people think if they buy the ebook they will make money and never take the first step. One problem is many people are afraid to write. Give me a few average writers that have good work ethics and I can make them profitable every time. Two of the biggest reasons people fail online is because they are afraid to write or too lazy to accomplish anything. Its funny when you think about it since many of these same people will spend all day emailing or instant messaging back and forth with friends - when the same amount of typing could be making them money if they only had a little direction and the work ethics to follow it through. Many of them are too critical of their writing skills and think they need to write like an english scholar when the truth is they only need to write like an average person for the majority of things. You only need to be able to communicate to the type of target audience your web site is designed for. I've met people that swore they couldn't write. After talking with me a few times and a couple practice paragraphs they were writing very usable content that was great for search engines. Their confidence quickly built and they were off on their way with a good foundation to build on. I always like meeting "hungry" people online that just need a little help. As long as they are willing to work hard I'd happily give them a hand. I was raised that people need a hand up, not a hand out - but I won't waste my time on lazy people. It's a fact that all we really need to make money online is an internet connection, the right information and the drive to succeed. You can be rich or you can be lazy, the choice is yours. You can have plenty of time to be lazy after you're rich, until then "lazy" should not even be in your vocabulary. Jacob Treant
Sometimes that method is as simple as looking at what they are doing - selling ebooks on the internet There are good, bad and in-between. Some people are lazy and would rather part with a few dollars rather than search around for the same information which is usually available for free. The problem is the stupid promises they make. If the ebook was really as good as some of the sales letters make them out to be, they'd cost several thousands of dollars, not $7.
Thats the absolute truth. Learn from what they do, not what they say. When I first started I found out who the biggest online successes were and I read all their sales pages, subscribed to their emails and studied exactly how they approached me in everything they wrote. I watched for patterns in successful sales letters and learned how they used words to get me to take action to buy something or give them my email address. If you just take the time to study someone that is already successful at what you want to do and then do what they do with as much (or more) enthusiasm you can become just as successful. The key is the drive to do what needs to be done, research, learn and take action with what you've learned. Making money online is all about getting people to do what you want, whether its click an adsense link or make a purchase. So you need to learn how to focus a persons attention on what you want them to do - and them get them to do it. For example, if your goal is to get them to click your adsense, you don't hide it, you put it right in their face. Think of it this way, when you land on a web page your eyes are imitatively drawn to a certain part of the page. So you must control exactly where your visitors eyes land first on your page to get their attention to do what you want them to. Jacob Treant