Jews are taught to kill civillians in the Talmud!

calm down, he was talking about us Muslims

 

maybe he too wanted to benefit from the tragedy

 

Usa probably seems a worse choice compared to the terrorists for them. Terrorists are masters of propaganda and brainwashing anyway.

Sometimes the heroes [bush] are so ugly that people take easily to the villains.

 

Trying to avoid the moral responsibility of murdering someone by putting them in situations where they will surely die is the most moronic thought process I have ever witnessed in my entire life.

Thank you.

 

I agree, you're still killing either way. OK, so it looks like there is some violent stuff in Jewish literature. I think if I looked in Quran, I will find violent things as well. Oh yeah, then there is the Christian bible...

 

you call this horrible texts some violent stuff in Jewish literature and in Quran asking Muslims to fight and kill aggressors is TERRORISM

 

Rebecca feel free to post the verses which you find violent, I am sure there will be find answers for them. It will be off top in this thread
By the way zionists calls Jesus a terrorist as I know

 

Actually, if you read my post I said that "I think I could find some violent things in the Quran as well". Where did I say, "in Quran asking Muslims to fight and kill aggressors is terrorism?"

Why are you SCREAMING?

I'm sure someone else will come along that will be happy to post violent qoutes from Quran. I'm just not in the mood, if you'd like you can check out qoutes from Fitna. My point is, there is violence in religious books of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.

 

We have to remember, that Torah is the word of God, and not Talmund. It is reprehensible for zionists to use Talmund as their source for religious teachings, coz its full of hate. Real Jews obey the Torah, and not the Talmund.

 

The Talmud (Hebrew: תַּלְמוּד) is a record of rabbinic discussions pertaining to Jewish law, ethics, customs, and history.

The Torah (Hebrew: תּוֹרָה Translit.: torah Translated: doctrine, teaching) has been revered as the inspired word(s) of God, as it is said by tradition to have been revealed to Moses by Him. The Torah is sometimes referred to as the (written) Law or written Torah (unlike the oral Torah called Mishnah).

According to Rabbinic Judaism, the oral Torah, oral Law, or oral tradition (Hebrew: תורה שבעל פה, Torah she-be-`al peh) is the oral tradition received in conjunction with the written Torah (and the rest of the Hebrew Bible), which is known in this context as the "written Torah" (Hebrew: תורה שבכתב, Torah she-bi-khtav). The Mishnah is the record of the oral Torah.

The "oral law" was ultimately recorded in the Mishnah, the Talmud and Midrash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah

 

Please don't be mad at me gauharjk, but couldn't someone also come along and say, "We have to remember, that Quran is the word of God, and not Hadith. It is reprehensible for Muslims to use Hadith as their source for religious teachings, coz its full of hate. Real Muslims obey the Quran, and not the Hadith."

The Talmud is written by rabbi's and the Hadith by Imam's. Right? Am I missing something?

p.s. Not trying to say all hadith is bad, but some I have read seems bad. I actually like what I have read in the Quran much more.

 

You know, coz you have researched, that some of the Hadith is not accurate. I believe you should conduct a similar research into Torah and Talmund, so that you can do a comparative study of them.

Muslims believe God revealed his commands to Prophet Moses (pbuh), and as far as I know, they could be in the Torah.

You can read above quotations of what is written in the Talmund...

 

I'll try, gauharjk. Thanks buddy.

 

I'm not a jew and so have not deep understanding, but the "Talmud" is NOT the jewish holy book. It's a disccusion/interpretation of the jewish laws which never were written down. As that it's not carved in stone, but only tries to interprete meanings of laws.
From wiki:

Simply compare to christianity which has ONE book but several interpeations and "churches". Which one is "right" and which is "wrong"?

IMHO all of them, but I'm atheist anyway

 

Oops sorry I was not screaming at you, and I know you did not say "in Quran asking Muslims to fight and kill aggressors is terrorism?" if you notice I also typed some violent things in a small font size.

I meant to point the double standards and hypocrisy in West in general, that is clear even in these threads, and in Wilders movie, in which he is trying to say that all Muslims are Taliban, and using some of Taliban videos to prove his point, and forgot that Taliban before 9/11 has not been admitted except by Saudi Arabia and this is because the pilgrimage trip to Mecca, and United Arab Emirates which had low level diplomatic relations with Taliban. The rest of Islamic countries did not admit them.

I hear many saying why Muslims do not stand firm against such extremists and terrorists, and demonstrate against them..

There have been demonstrations against them in many cases, and also when Israel was bombing Muslims on daily bases since before 1948, how can the west ask the Muslims to stand firm when the West is not standing firm against Israel crimes? since before 1948, not only this but also supporting Israel with finance and military weapons.

Israel uses such aids to kill civilians on daily bases since very long, if you need proof just ask me and will provide many.

then somebody who has strong relations with Israel comes and make a movie that insult Muslims by painting them all as terrorists, that has no respect at all, which came from somebody who said "I do not hate Muslims, I hate Islam" and expect Muslims to show some respect? By telling LL: "please remove that movie because it hurts me " nah..

its not Muslims fault that they did not lose their faith, and its not Muslims fault that Europe lost its faith in Christianity, and they should not expect Muslims to do the same.

 

We didn't "loose", we just evolved. Like children who once believed to Santa Claus and when they grew older, noticed that it was just a fairy tale.

At that time they mainly fought against the british.

At least this is "only collateral" damage and the intention is still to avoid civilian losses if possible. An AGM 65 is at least a smart weapon, while a Katjusha is never one.

What strong relations does Geert Wilders have with Israel?

 

My view on Wilders movie was a little different, not sure if you saw it. The main thing it showed was video footage of 911 and other terrorist acts. It also shows the Quran along with violent qoutes. The reason Wilder can do this is because the terrorists believed they were following the Koran and doing the will of Allah. That is why he says Islam is violent. To be honest, watching the film brought up some painful memories for me. Then I look around and see Muslims threatening to kill people because of the film, and that disturbs me even more. It is just a film. Life is precious. No one should be murdered over a film or cartoon. Wilder is not saying that all Muslims are Taliban. He is concluding that Islam is a violent religion, and the Quran makes people violent. The events of the film were true, it is just the conclusion of what it all means that can be debated. Personally, I do not think it is the Quran. If that were true, we would have many more terrorists. I still don't understand it though. How can people come and kill us and pray to Allah at the same time? I don't know the answer. You may also have a different idea about 911 as well. We don't think it was the Taliban, but Al-Qaeda. I think they are different. We have captured people in Al-Qaeda that have given us more details of how 911 was all planned out.

The only time I ever heard or been told anything negative about Israel is on DP. I really don't have much knowledge on the Palestinian/Israel conflict. That is why I try to stay out of those threads, but I do try to read them. I can't really comment on that too much, because I really don't know.

 

Thank you for this reference in the thread, Pizzaman;

http://talmud.faithweb.com/

Of interest, for those that want to know more:

1. Very few Jews, let alone Israeli Jews have the slightest understanding, have ever read, or know anything about the substance of the Talmud. It is normally only studied by the very religous or Orthodox Jews.

Orthodox Jews in Israel roughly make up 10% of the population in Israel and 6% of the population of the Jews in the US. (the two nations with the largest Jewish populations in the world.

2. The talmud is a now written interpretation of the Torah, primarily developed over several hundred years, probably ending in the 1200's 1300's 1400's. It was primarily written by rabbi's interpreting the words of the torah and trying to take the scarcely written words of those laws and interpret them to more modern times.

3. The above referenced website explains how Jew haters have used the talmud for centuries in trying to slander Jews.

4. The statements made that are slanderous are often misinterpreted from the original ancient aramaic and normally taken out of context.

5. A reading of the website above on several long held slanderous attacks gives examples how these statements have been misinterpreted and are slanderous.

It is fascinating that a bunch of Jew haters will cite slanderous language attributing them to Jews when the vast vast vast majority of Jews haven't the slightest bit of information about this document, have never read it, don't study it, and don't incorporate it into any fashion of their lives.

On top of that the statements quoted in the OP are twists and misinterpretations of what would have been written, if they are typical of the attacks of the past 1500 years.

 

Nobody is calling all Muslims terrorists.

I wouldn't call people who fire rockets into Israel "civilians."

We went after the Taliban because they supported Al-Qaeda. Afghanistan was a training ground for Al-Qaeda.

Some people get hung up on "Al-Qaeda" and now some are shocked that we'd go after all terrorists no matter their brand name. Calling terrorists in Iran "Al-Qaeda" is like calling the store brand tissues "Kleenex."

Iraq and Afghanistan are on opposite sides of Iran. Pakistan is south of Afghanistan. With those three countries on our side, we have a much better chance of taking care of Iran. Once Iran is done then Syria will be easier to deal with and finally Saudi Arabia will have to deal with a large chunk of the middle east being unfriendly to radical Muslims.

And by that point hopefully the problem will just work itself out.

 

So basically you want to conquer the middle east, kind of like an empire. Wasn't you complaining a few posts ago that Muslims were coming into europe? LOL