After death threats LiveLeak were forced to remove Fitna, The film critical of the quran. To muslims: Do you see this as a victory? Are you glad that liveleak were forced to remove the film, Even though it was out of fear and not respect?
Victory for Islam? I wish there was Unity... I wish there was a self-less leader, who could represent all the Muslims... I wish I could proclaim all Muslims are one big family... But alas, when you see them killing each other in Iraq, Sudan and Afghanistan, the heart really aches. Islam is not yet a single family, neither Political Islam nor Religious Islam. That racist movie was not a "threat" to Islam in any way. So how can its removal amount to any sort of victory?
Could you explain how a film critical of a holy book can be considered racist? Or are you just trying to crowbar emotional language in to your post? Because many muslims wanted it banned and removed. Now that they have got what they want, Do they see it as a victory. It's a simple question.
It's a moot point now, Liveleak has put the video back up after "upgrading all security measures thus offering better protection for our staff and families". Well done liveleak, Don't let violent thugs dictate what you can or can not have on your site. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103
victory over who? I think you are asking unclear question although the answer can be either yes or no, the answer will depend on the person and his views, I think Muslims should not answer such questions because: if Muslims said yes, then this can be understood by non-Muslims: - Muslims proved that Wilders was right.... because it showed that they support force or violence by supporting the death threats ....etc which is far from being true. if Muslims said no, then this can be understood by non-Muslims: - Muslims proved that Wilders was right.... because it showed that they follow violent ways, man! they even admitted it! they said they been defeated! which is also far from being true. it depends on what sense you ask this question, and the intentions behind it which I do not know because your question is not clear, what are you trying to prove? such attitudes will only generate more hater, if you want answers ask clear questions, and listen to the other before judging them if you are asking me if I do support the death threats against liveleak to remove fitna movie, my answer will be clearly NO. if you asked me, would you use death threats and violent acts to remove a movie that criticize Islam? my answer will be NO. there are so many movies that criticize Islam on youtube, and other sites since long, sometimes it even help removing misunderstanding against Islam. if you are asking me if I was glad that fitna movie was removed, my answer will be YES, because it only generate hater and widen the gap between cultures in a time people of the world need to reduce that gap and have more tolerance towards each other. I think there should be a neutral option in this poll.
My question is perfectly clear and it's perfectly reasonable, You are just pretending to not understand as an excuse for not giving a straight forward answer. Was the removal of fitna from liveleak a victory for islam? yes or no. Explain your answer if you like, But a yes or no will suffice.
I am not pretending, I am saying your question is not clear enough for me to give you the short answer (yes/no) you need. What do you mean by victory? and over who?
It would show that Muslims are willing to face their demons and get rid of them. Muslims denying the violence in their ranks is as idiotic as the Catholic church denying the crusades and the inquisition. By trying (unsuccessfully as it's back) to get the movie off of LiveLeak by using threats it simply shows the world that Muslims are either unable or unwilling to face their demons and change. They just want to pretend there are no demons and that Islam is all about peace and love. I don't know why you insist on painting yourself into an imaginary box. Is it so hard to write a letter that says "I'm offended by this, can you please remove it?" without death threats? That would show the world that Muslims are going to stand up to the demons that Wilders highlighted and rid themselves of them. People like Wilders keep throwing these images out there because they see that Muslims are in denial and refuse to fix the problems in their religion. It was Christians that marginalized the KKK and helped overthrow the Catholic Church as a political power. Why can't Muslims rise up against the terrorists and do the same? Why the constant denials? What would you think if Christians refused to denounce the KKK and Catholocism and actually do something about them? Even after you showed them what they were doing to people?
A victory doesn't need to be over anyone. But to humour you, Lets say a victory over people making films critical of islam. If you need a simpler question, A question which affords you less opportunities to wriggle out of giving an honest answer, Are you glad liveleak had to remove the video? (albeit briefly)
if this is your question then I have already answered it in my first post. to be more clear, No I am not glad that they have been forced to remove it.
I'm not asking if you support death threats. I am asking if you feel the removal of the video is a victory for islam, Given the circumstances. Why are you so reluctant to give a straight forward answer to a perfectly straight forward question?