I think Palestanians had decided for themself what is good or bad, by democratical way they have selected their gov. If we will take as an example of Jews MaDog we will see that he/she is refusing Palestian at all, and hating everyone who supports Palestian. It will be hard for hem to get an agreement sooner, in my view
Before I start, its important to define terrorism, there have been many definitions, here is a list from the list I will pick an Israeli definition for the word: Part 1 Air Piracy The first airplane hijacking in the Middle East was committed by Israel in 1954 when a civilian Syrian airliner was hijacked shortly after the plane took off The following are quotes from Yearbook of the United Nations 1986 interesting how it shows on wikipedia that without any mention for 1954 hijacking
Part 2 Assassinations Israel has long history of assassinations, not only against Palestinian and Arab figures but also International figures - Assassinating to achieve political gains: The assassination of Count Bernadotte the UN Peace Mediator in 1948. source Yitzhak Shamir reputedly played a role in planning the assassination; however, he was never tried and went on to become Prime Minister of Israel. - Assassinations to trigger suicide bombings: Q: when did the first Palestinian suicide bombing happen in Israel? A: long after Israeli occupation of West Bank and Ghaza source: Israel's Assassination Policy Triggers Latest Suicide Bombings this policy is not new, Israel use its own citizens blood to achieve political gains, or to find excuse to assassinate more and start new violence circles so they can blame the victim later: full article will continue assassinations later in another post
imad, i don't have much time now so ididn't read what you wrote. i will read it later. ThraXed, we vote for terrorists? and the fact that you are calling us "Zionists" and not Israelis, it's telling me something. enjoy there in England, that her official language in more few years will be Arabic. ziya, the Palestinians voted for Hamas. Hamas is shooting tens of rockets every day. what are we suppose to do? noting? not to react? to let the people of Sderot die?
Part 2 Assassinations - continued Q: When is assassination not assassination? A: When Jews do it. "The Israeli pattern in recent months of targeting specific people for death has outraged Palestinians." -New York Times, August 1, 2001, p. A6. "...Israeli officials recognized that they had a problem selling their tactics elsewhere in the world. (Israeli) Ministers at the security cabinet meeting were reported to have debated what to call their policy. 'Liquidation' is one word the government has frequently used. So is 'interception'...Neither word pleased some ministers today, according to Israeli radio reports. A new phrase said to have been proposed was: 'actions to prevent the killing of Jews." N.Y. Times, Aug. 2, 2001 source
Source : http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/index.cfm Words of the Rabbis Opposing Zionism Rabbi Meir Simcha of Dvinsk Rabbi Meir Simcha of Dvinsk I cannot utter with my lips nor write down what is in my heart concerning these unstable people.... We should pay no attention to Herzl, because this Zionist vision is driving - G-d forbid - Israel to destruction. It is our duty to preserve ourselves from being captured and mingled with the empty utterances of Herzl and Nordau and their cabal. I am astonished that the Mizrachi rabbis...will not unite with all those who have taken on themeselves the task of weakening the Zionist traitors. They actually uphold the Zionists and themselves will come to revile all those opposed ot this abominable Zionist movement, who teach that the only hope to Israel springs from the ZIONISTS WHO REJECT OUR HOLY TORAH.
source : http://www.nkusa.org/activities/demonstrations/20080124.cfm Orthodox Rabbi Condemns Recent Israeli Atrocity in Gaza January 24th '08– Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, a spokesman for Neturei Karta International, a world wide organization of anti — Zionist Orthodox Jews, has issued a "passionate condemnation of the latest Israeli atrocities in Gaza and the entire Palestine." The Rabbi called the "recent deaths of so many innocent Palestinians a horrific act." He posited that "this is only the most recent example of the sixty year toll of human suffering created by the Zionist enterprise in the Middle East." The Rabbi representing the perspective of Torah true Jewry, declared that "Zionism is a fundamentally heretical movement which denies the Divine imperative that Jews remain in exile until the day when all mankind will be miraculously redeemed." He pointed out that the Talmud had foretold massive suffering in the event that the "Almighty’s plan for our exile will be defied." May the Almighty protect us all. "The terrible oppression of the Palestinian people is yet another example of the awful consequences of Zionism. This is a movement that disregards the Jewish faith and its teachings on every area of life, including its commandment that we seek peace and justice towards all people." The Rabbi added that, "It is great embarrassment to us that the Palestinians have suffered so much for so long at the hands of those who masquerade as representatives of the Jewish people. They are impostors. Torah true Jews the world over, would never lift a hand against any other human being." The Rabbi extended his prayer that "the day should soon arrive when the Zionist enterprise — the State of "Israel" — will be peacefully dismantled and Jews and their Palestinian neighbors will live together in a Palestinian state in peace. Ultimately the world should merit to see the glory of the Creator accepted by all. AMEN" ---------- This kind of news not showing on TV. At Least I have not seen any
Stop giving all the time the examples of this nuts! they are maybe 0.001% from the population of Jews so stop!
MaDog this is a public discussion forum, you do not need to go so personal and so full of hatred over the posts by imad. Let there be more civilized debates of discussions on this forum.
I always hear other Jews saying they are nuts about them, but nobody ever told me why they think they are nuts, maybe you can tell me?
let's see. If you will drive in their neighborhoods in Saturday, they will throw rocks at you. If a woman will walk in their neighborhoods in inappropriate dress, they will expel her from there. They are Holocaust deniers. They are just pray all day long. ....
it seems that some of these people are basing their opinion on Torah and Talmud. i do not believe in the religious nonsense but the first time that i read that i got chills because of "go up like a wall" and the barrier that israel made to protect her citizens. here is where i got this from and the counter reply http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/Anti-Zionism.html
... but, how if they pray all day long will find time to throw rocks at cars in Saturday? or watch walking women dress? do they get a day off from praying on Saturday?
yes about 70% of palestanians have chosen abbas to negotiate on their behalf and he is doing just that. the others must allow him to base his decisions on what is good for his people rather than his survival. the only solution is peace and unfortunately whenever people discuss ME they try to place blame and this turns to a chicken and egg question and we all know that there is no answer to that
what a stupid question. i meant that they aren't working. but they are still walking in their streets. you know, you can try it yourself. you live in Amman, it's not so far from Jerusalem. try to drive in Saturday in neighborhood "Mea Shearim" and you will see it yourself.
lol take it easy I was being sarcastic, sorry for being sarcastic, but what you said did not make sense at least for me, if they are nuts, they should be in nut house, for example, if I enter a black people street wearing a T-Shirt that has an image of a black man on it, and below it written the N word, then who is the nuts? or another example, if I enter a Muslims street wearing a T-shirt that has a pig picture on it and below it written ( I love pork ) then who is the nuts?
OK, you don't want to believe me. fine. I am just telling that from personal acquaintanceship, they are nuts. you know, you can try it yourself. you live in Amman, it's not so far from Jerusalem. try to drive in Saturday in neighborhood "Mea Shearim" and you will see it yourself.
What I meant, this is not an enough reason to call them nuts. and then use the "nuts" word whenever somebody adopt their political opinions, if a murder happen in their neighborhood and it was committed by an Arab for example, and one of these people witnessed the crime, will the court refuse his testimony because he throw rocks at cars on Saturday?