I'm a little surprised that modern people would even consider banning this film or any other piece of work. I watch films all the time that I don't like; some I dislike so much they make me feel a bit like rioting. I find it easier to simply not watch films that I don't expect to like as opposed to ranting, raving and attempting to ban them. The biggest threat to Islam (and ALL other organized religion) is its followers coming to see the ugly truth behind their foolish beliefs and the actions that stem from them.
I went and saw Syriana thinking it was sympathetic to terrorists. That was the buzz after all. My wife actually made me go see it with her because she thought it would piss me off since I had a negative opinion of it from reading various reviews. We both walked away from a movie that portrayed Arabs as pathetic. You have a few elite and the rest are poor and desperate. It didn't make me think that the terrorists had valid gripes. It made me realize how honorable American Indians are. They got screwed but they just run their casinos, get their government handouts, or integrate into American society and are happy. They don't go murder people because they lost their job at the casino. It may very well have tried to put a sympathetic face on Muslim terrorists but it failed.
Right or wrong, fair or not, you're lack of tolerance for the beliefs of others is a big part of the religious divide. You don't have to agree with, believe in, or follow Islam. The opposite however does not demand you demean it. A fundamental human right and desire, is the right to be left alone. When you attack Islam, you're not just attacking a way of life, you're attacking a culture, family and national histories, ceremonies, names of religious significance given to children etc. Again, you might not like it, or agree with it. But that doesn't condone attacking it. Kalvin, you probably thought you were complimenting the Native Americans when you contrasted them with Muslims. It's funny and sad that bigotry is basically ignorance squared.
How is that bigotry? The main source of income presented in Syriana for arabs is working for the oil companies. When the kid loses his job with the oil company he goes and becomes a terrorist and blows himself up. A main source of income for Native Americans is casinos. Even the Simpson's make fun of it. When a Native American loses their job at a casino they don't go blow themselves up. I know it's a tough concept to grasp. Fact: Indians run casinos on many of their reservations. In Phoenix there are a ton of choices to pick from. Fact: Indians get government handouts as reparations Fact: Indians often integrate into American society and get jobs outside the reservation Fact: Indians don't murder people when they lose a job at the Casino even if they think they have no other job prospects Fact: Americans crapped all over the Native Americans when they showed up Fact: Indians don't resent Americans and try to kill them So I'm not sure what issue exactly you find with what I said. Comparing two people who have just as much reason to resent other people is a perfectly reasonable comparison. Or do you think Muslims have it so much worse? Is that why Native Americans didn't resort to suicide bombing but Muslims did? When I saw the movie and how it presented Arabs I thought of what Americans did to the the Native Americans. How would you not respect someone for realizing that they still live in peace with you after all you did to them?
Ignorance squared. So where do the handicapped and brain damaged bombers come from? The female bombers? It's so much nonsense, and part of the approach of further dehumanizing the enemy. He commits suicide because he lost his job. Not because he's inspired by his religion, not because he is an insurgent or rebel, not because he feels it is the only way to be effective against superior firepower. Nope, he lost his job so he committed suicide attacks. Now all you have to do is rationalize suicide attacks by the Japanese. Well, if you've been educated by watching the Simpsons, then you have me at a big disadvantage. I waste my time reading interviews, history watching footage, history books and trying to find some island of rationality in an irrational world. But hey, if Bart said so....
If you don't like how the movie Syriana portrays the suicide bomber then take it up with the writers. The kid was perfectly content when he worked for the oil company. Then he got fired and found religion and hate. Name the top five sources of income for American Indians. Claiming "bigot" for pointing out that Casinos are the biggest revenue generator on the res is as retarded as claiming bigot for pointing out that oil is the biggest revenue generator for Arab countries. "Bart" didn't say so. The facts say so. You claim to be educated but you keep trying to prove yourself wrong.
I'm taking it up with you. You're the one using it as a the basis for an argument. And how many examples of this were there in the sample size. Enough to make a broad sweeping generalization about 1.2 billion Muslims? The analogy is ridiculous. Besides getting rolled over by imperialism, what else do Muslims and American Indians have in common? Suicide bombing (as a tactic) most times,as proven by Pentagon sponsored studies, is a result of occupation (real or imagined). Period. What's sad is, you didn't even get why I called your opinion bigotry. It had nothing to do with casinos. I'm not the one who uses "The Simpsons" to qualify my positions, okay?
I figured since you were uneducated on the matter I thought you'd at least be familiar with the Simpsons. Are Americans not occupying Indian land? Did Americans not purposly infect the Indians with small pox? Didn't we buy half the US from them for one dollar because they thought we were joking? Didn't we slaughter them as we moved through America? I actually had an American Instructor instructor explain why the Indians thought we were joking. They saw it as the same as someone actually offering to pay $1 for ocean side property in Arizona. He thought it was kind of funny and has no resentment for Americans taking advantage of his people. It was a long time ago and it's time to move on. How have we treated the Muslims any differently? Oh right, we've never systematically slaughtered them and we never took their land. And in fact we have historically defended them. In fact we recently freed millions of Muslims from the iron fist of ruthless dictators. Why is it that millions of American Indians have been displaced and yet don't suicide bomb and yet a large portion of the 1.2 billion dollars worth of Muslims supports the suicide bombings carried out in the name of their religion? Try again. Considering there was no bigotry to be found yes, I'm not sure where you get it from. Americans respect the Japanese and Vietnamese and the Germans (except for the Nazis that murdered the Jews of course) because they fought honorably. The Japanese did not suicide attack unarmed civilians. There was some honor in what they did. They gave their lives fighting our military to defend their country. It's always better to take out the enemy and live to fight another day but it takes guts to willingly give your life for your country. I know you can't tell the difference between a civilian and military target and that's okay. The terrorists can't either. So there are people in the world just like you that share your views. There is no honor in blowing up a cafe. 6+ million Jews were murdered by Germans. And yet Jews don't resent the Germans. Why can the Jews live in peace with the Germans? What have the Jews done that is so horrible that Muslims can't forgive them and just live in peace? Once you're done with that go ahead and explain the hatred for every other religion on the planet that makes them suicide bomb civilians of those religions.
did you have something to say or do you just like to hear yourself talk? Why don't you explain to the audience how we, the US, have treated Muslims worse than American Indians? I'd really like to know.
It's hard to argue with anyone who have so sick and twisted logic like you have. Not fighting occupation is admirable thing according to your sick logic! Can you imagine Europe occupied by nazis without fighting for freedom in occupied countries? Honestly I think you do. It's incredible how much you are willing to twist common sense just to everything fit your sick view of the world. Did I said anything like that at all? What makes your logic sick is your claim that American Indians are honorable because they don't blowing you up because of genocide you done upon them!
So you think that American Indians should be out fighting a war against America? I know it's hard to tell the difference between peaceful occucation (modern day America for example) and murderous occupation (Nazi Germany) It's really tough I know. So I'll give you a few years to grow up and figure it out. You still havn't explained to the audience how we (the US) have treated Muslims so far worse than American Indians that would lead them to suicide bomb their "occupiers" while American Indians live in peace with theirs.
hahahahahahahahahahaha still continue showing how sick your mind is! So "peaceful occupation",as you call it, is actually good thing and no nation under "peaceful occupation" should fight for their freedom?!? Seriously, you don't see nothing wrong in nonsense you post? How about this: you (US) fucked up American Indians so badly using any means possible so now they simply don't have any means to fight back otherwise they would. I was reading crap his posting for days and didn't wanted to react because it's useless but the latest nonsense simply needs few comments at least lol
That ivory tower mentality where everyone is just like you or should be. The US "occupies" Japan, Germany, Vietnam, etc. So why havn't they fought back? After all, we had some pretty bitter fights in the past and we're the minority there. Maybe because it's a peaceful occupation where all parties mutually respect each other and are working for common goals. That would require an education. What has the US done to the Muslims that is anywhere near what they did to the American Indians? It wouldn't make sense to someone who believes in a culture of hate. You simply can't comprehend how an honorable people would accept that shit happens and maintain their peaceful ways. America has apologized to the Indians and the Indians have accepted it. And now they rob the white man blind with their casinos. Sheer genius. The Jews understood it. They have no ill will towards the Germans. Americans harbor no resentment towards England. They don't hate Russians or the Vietnamese. Or the Japanese. Australia was started as a prison colony. They have no ill will towards England. Why can't Muslims understand it? Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but at the end of the day you drink to friendship. Why do you think it is that in virtually every conflict in the world Muslims are involved? As you say, why get along when you can prolong bloodshed? Talk about twisted logic. All Muslims have to do is stop firing rockets into Israel and they could have access to their holy sites. They could drink to friendship and get what they want. But, as you argue for, you'd rather spill blood to get your way. Because somehow that makes sense to you.
source : http://hnn.us/articles/7302.html Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide? By Guenter Lewy .... According to Ward Churchill, a professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado, the reduction of the North American Indian population from an estimated 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900 represents a "vast genocide . . . , the most sustained on record." That American Indians suffered horribly is indisputable. But whether their suffering amounted to a "holocaust," or to genocide, is another matter. .....
Again, are you serious? Since when US occupies Japan, Germany and Vietnam?!? And using Vietnam as example is not smart choice to prove your point simply because more than 1,000,000 of them died fighting to draw you out. If what you shows here is 'education' than it's better for world to stay 'un-educated' As I already said: you fucked up Native Americans so badly that they don't have any power to fight back. Otherwise they would. Again, you are claiming that it's honorable to give up on your country and accept to live in reservations! Simply twisted logic! Talking about bigotry and non-sense... And very next day after they stop rockets into Israel they will get all land back which Israel stole from them and continue to steal day after day after day... And,of course, Israel will rebuild all villages they destroyed 'defending' themselfs... Somehow I don't believe Israel are willing to give up on single inch of stolen land without fighting. It's alway makes sense to me fighting for freedom of my country. As I already said you were not forced to fight for freedom so you can't understand that. Next time I am in US I will came and throw your out of your house and than we'll talk about drink to friendship, and than I will tell you something like "Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose...". I doubt you will accept it...
If I was unable to do anything to regain my property then I would just have to accept and learn to live in peace. Most likely you'd be dead however. Arizona doesn't mind when homeowners shoot and kill home invaders. I don't mind either. Sometimes you lose. I can drink to that. The UN gave it to them because Arabs couldn't stop murdering civilians even before the creation of Israel. If Arabs hadn't been murdering assholes before Israel had been created there wouldn't be Israel. When are Muslims going to figure out that their own wickedness resulted in the creation of Israel and there's nothing they can do about it? Muslims own 99% of the Middle East and they act like they deserve 100%. They're selfish idiots that just don't know when to quit. Name one Muslim country that supports Israel. Educate yourself. We still have active military installations there. The war is over. Same in Germany and Japan. The war is over and yet there we are living in peace with those who used to be our enemy. "I Will Fight No More Forever" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073138/ I powerful statement from an American Indian. Since you have no time for books there exists a movie that you could watch to educate yourself. He didn't say they wouldn't fight forever, unless we get enough numbers to fight again. He said forever. Period. Both sides committed attrocities and at the end they accepted their defeat honorably and won the respect of all Americans in the process. Someone like you obviously can't understand what it is to be honorable. You'd encourage bloodshed until there is none of you left. Which is exactly what the terrorists are doing. Despite all we did to them they don't resent us. They don't harbor hate for us. The vietnamese don't harbor hate. The germans don't harbor hate. We've sacrificed our own lives to free Muslims and they still resent us and want us dead. We give them billions of dollars and they still hate us. But to you that's normal. The only people that resent us are Muslims. And we were on THEIR side. But hey, I'm the silly one. You want to assume that the American Indians, Gemans, Japanese, and Vietnamese all resent us and we resent them because otherwise you'd look like an angry fool. The Vietnamese killed 1 million of our troops and now we're friends with them.
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