jewish school in jerusalem hit by terrorists????

So let me get this straight - you want to tell the Jews "I'm sorry that you were forcibly removed from your lands in our Arab countires, but get over it - that's in the past." Yet you're demanding exclusive right to territory that you argue is yours ("shared") in the past. You're not happy being told exactly what you're saying - get over it. Plus you haven't dealt with the fact that the "settlement" is always a one way street - Jews are cooped up in a few miles of shrinking Israel and can't travel anywhere else yet Arabs and Palestinians should walk freely throughout their areas and the entire continent. A ridiculous double standard - therein lies your problem. As usual, your "proof" speaks of nothing to support you.

Since you don't care to treat others as you wish to be treated, let us know when you do and that is the road to peace.

 

There is a reason why gworld is the most ignored poster on DP. Use the ignore button it cleans up a huge amount of garbage off of you screen.

 

so are you saying that you are against peace
and you want to continue the conflict
and you think i am arab because i want to have peace in ME.i can not possibly be a jew? in another word you think that a jew can not be for peace
are you sure about what you are saying?
another step toward peace
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7281801.stm

 

This is coming from a guy so dumb that doesn't know catholics are christians.

 

You're the one that told me that the Jews should just "get over the past." ("you need to get passed your history.") You're telling me that you're not willing to treat me the way you want to be treated. How could you expect anyone to agree to that? You can't and it's absurd.

Jews are not militant by nature. They also don't have any words such as "suicide bombing" in their vocabulary or find it an acceptable solution to simply send a child into an area to blow up innocent people with no purpose except murder.

I have plenty of Arab friends and we understand the issues. They understand the problem in the Middle East and the Muslim fundamentalists who unfortunately have too much support and nobody in the Middle East willing to strike them down. They are murderers in the name of Allah. We know all too well what a Jihad is and the words calling for the destruction of Israel are clearly written and public - yet you ignore them like they are meaningless and should be cast aside. Anyone who wants to see the videos smuggled out of the country can see the horrific clerics claiming that killing a Jew is one of the ultimate rewards. Jews and Palestinians live in Israel peacefully as well and understand the issues that, apparently, you don't.

The first thing you can learn is that peace isn't "give me what I want and, when you do, then I'll start listening to what you have to say."

 

I am pretty sure, they aslo much prefer to have fighter jets, tanks, guided missiles and helicopters but USA refuses to give it to them like they do with Israel. If you really don't like the suicide bombers, may be you should talk with your goverment to share it's next shipment with palestinians.

 

i am not a part of this conflict so i am only giving advice.if you want peace for israel you must pass this chicken and egg question. it is obvious that when you get to this everything gets stalled.that also goes for the palestanians, but somehow i don't see they have any say in it. so they send egypt.
you seem to think it is impossible to reach peace with your enemy.this is a fallacy.first peace then cooperation then acceptance and then maybe trust.if you try to break the chain then there is no chance.
if you live next to sewer it must bother you but you still trying to say it is not yours and complain about the smell.

 

OK, say you are the only black man in a city of all KKK, what is you likeliness that you will "make peace" with these members of the KKK?

 

u can if you have an apache helicopter and can kill them at will
but really blacks have made with kkk in about the same time as arab-israeli conflict started

 

So Israel needs more firepower?

That doesn't seem to answer any question, but it seems to be missing words, could you rewrite it?

 

as long as it makes them feel better. as long as they have peace they should even have enough to protect the palestanians in case of an attack

you brought up a hypothetical question
i said that this peace has already happened and kkk does not kill the blacks anymore there is no love or trust but that is what i am talking about.
this is how it starts.

 

We, the people in the USA have brought the kkk to their knees and the laws are their to punish if they step out of line, but if the city was run by kkk and all were kkk the black man would die, simple as that. There is no peace for those who hate. The hatred rules their lives.

Research richard butler in Hayden, ID to see what has happened to the neo-nazis up there. They sent a couple of skin heads to the high school (back in 89) to beat up one black kid I knew. The funny thing was he kicked the butt of the first skinhead and the other ran away. They burned down the house of another black family, but the murder or attack killed the nazi group financially and they lost their compound.

 

i said if they have couple of apache helicopters
and peace is only for the people that hate each other and actively attack each other.maybe you are looking for devotion

 

The answer to your question is that the Jews were expelled from Arab lands in the 19th century. The Palestinians can do whatever they want in the vast Arab nations but not Jews. The Jews have been cornered into a tiny country called Israel and have nowhere to go, subject to the further constant barrage of suicide bombing attacks by fundamentalist groups into civilian areas that are focused on killing non-Muslims. It doesn't matter if tourists or Americans (bonus points) are caught in these murderous blasts. There you go.

The suicide bombings killing innocent civilians have not stopped and will not stop until Israel is destroyed according to these fundamentalists. Why do you not accept their own published charters? Stop lumping all Arabs into one group - what part of "there is no unified single Arab voice" do you not understand? The Arab nations have no intention of giving back land and assets to the Jews who were expelled. Peace was offered to Arafat in the best way possible but that is not what fundamentalist Arabs and many of the Arab nations want. Arafat also did a major disservice to his people, stealing billions and leaving a legacy rife with horrific corruption that even the Palestinians themselves were disgusted with - and voted Hamas into power. Many Palestinians and the overwhelming majority of Jews want peace but it's the significant presence of the Muslim fundamentalists and virtually all the other Arab nations that won't let this happen.

Pizzaman, unless you're willing to look at the entire picture and understand the problem, your simple attempts to pin the blame are meaningless... as is trying to explain it to you since you just don't care to listen. Now that this conversation has run its course, I leave my prayers to the families of the innocent children who were murdered without cause. Peace out.

 

dude i do not want to argue this chicken and egg question not because if it is valid or not but because it does not serve my objective which is finding a solution that is acceptable to Israel and guarantee to be permanent.
but since you are my customer let me try to answer your questions.

i have looked at this link and i might be at the wrong page
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Immigration/First_Aliyah.html

first of all a comprehensive peace agreement solves this issue better than any idea you might have. for example Israeli can go to Egypt and jordan .oh what a surprise they have a peace agreement if you have a better idea please enlighten me.
second palastanians are in a blockade. they cant go anywhere either

i don't know what to say. this is a big problem i want to find a way for you to push Israel to try to reach peace and you are looking for points. here is 1000 points for you. now don't get mad
you also seems to be missing a big point here. you are a country at war.getting killed is normal condition. sorry to be cold but you have to come to realize this if i am to convince you to support peace.you are lucky that these people are so pitiful and their govts so week and incompetent.and corrupt
just imagine if they had the weapons that you have. just look at how their area is. be happy that they have to use suicide bombers and not helicopters.

again this is war normal for such conditions and opposite war is peace not more war
beside Israelis say the same thing against hamas. this is normal war time positions

the saudis have offered a complete peace proposal so here is your chance to deal with them in one bulk if you choose to.your govt can bring up the money issue when they talk but you are correct do not think you'll get anything

this is what i believe is changed which make this a great chance to do this
Arabs are more worried about iran than Israel and they will probably be a lot more helpful.

i agree with this

my point exactly but hamas and israeli govt are doing what the majority of their people want
so they send the Egyptians to talk to them and the world wants the Israeli people talk to their govt and then i demanded just that

yes they must be defeated and peace must prevail. they are against peace you know

here we are diffrent but i have already stated my position

how is this

but i am the one that say this chicken and egg argument is useless and you are the one that wants to continue

but you said it is useless and yet you want me to listen to it

 

many muslims are out to kill all non muslims no matter if they get their land, their respect, their everything, this is fact...the way it is being perceived by a group of its followers..its a person to person thing...but many fundamentalists are gathering fuel within the weaker followers..

im sure theres a group of very nice muslims, but lets not talk about them, because they arent killing ppl

lets talk about the big group that is killing ppl and will never stop....either the nice muslims have to redefine their practice of religion to seperate from the terrorists and help destroy the terrorists

cuz these terrorists are being allowed to be breed by the mainstream muslims

 

Why wud u say something so ignorant, there is a simple reason for ur thinking and why it is false.

THe 1.3 muslim population you talk about are mostly in the ISLAMIC WORLD which involved mass historic massacres of other cutlures/religions. SO currently muslims dont need to fight because they live in islamic stats where 90%+ of the population is muslim like indonesia, pakistan, afghanistan, saudi arabia, iran etc

The few nations with a muslim minority 5-15% or less like India, Thailand, Phillipines, Israel, Russia, Denmark, Ethiopia THEY ARE FIGHTING and TERRORIZING like hell, where as the other minorities are not

the REALITY is THERE IS SUCH THING AS muslim fundamentalist that like to kill , not just terrorize...

i never said that muslims cannot live peacefully with other muslims..
but the reality is many muslims cannot live peacefully with non-muslims

like i said before, there are always nice, peaceful people in every religion

the bigger problem is many of the fundamentalist in islam are not young troubled youth, but the imams(muslim priests)


* i am not negative with muslims, im just stating fact of current events. It is possible and hopeful that muslims will eliminate terrorism in their religious elite...but to do that they need to worry more of their community and the problems within, and stop blaming other communities

 

I think you both are saying the same thing to a large degree. There is a large scale problem, even assuming the best.

(a) Let's say you say the fundamentalists are just 1% of the population, you're still talking about 10 million Muslim fundamentalists dedicated to the destruction of Israel and expulsion of Jews from the entire region. Even 5 million people who will not hesitate to murder Jews is a LOT of people and more than enough to prevent any type of peace from happening in and with Israel if they want to. Unfortunately, the sentiment for this kind of mentality is exacerbated by the social perspective of Christians and Jews in the region.

(b) Let's say the rest of the Middle East won't resort to violence to the suicide bombing and rocket attacks on innocent civilians. There is much money flowing to these militant Arab groups within those countries and there is absolutely no desire or attempt to prevent it. So essentially there is support by inaction for the terrorist movement. Furthermore, others here illustrated the problem that many of the monarchies only care about themselves - and they would prefer the Palestinians not be in their back yard and better off taking all of Israel which wasn't theirs anyways. So there is virtually complete incentive to sit back and do nothing to prevent the money flow to the terrorist initiatives. But there's one last factor.

(c) In Middle Eastern Arab countries, e.g. Iran, there is no democracy. In Iran the Muslim population is predisposed to viewing Christians and Jews culturally as lower life, second class citizens. Look up the word "dhimmi" in Wikipedia. It's gone on for a long time and there are problems not only with fairness but perception of Christians and Jews as low caste people. For example "...there are legal problems for Jews in Iran - if one member of a Jewish family converts to Islam he can inherit all the family's property."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5367892.stm

So essentially the problem is really the entire Middle East region. If you only had rights in Rhode Island but nowhere else in the USA, imagine how you'd feel. Most of the Arabic Jews who lived for centuries in what are currently Arab ruled monarchies were tossed out and had their land confiscated. They have no land rights as even the Palestinians enjoy. The only place in the Middle East that they aren't treated legally and socially inferior is in Israel. Essentially it's an impossible argument for the Palestinians to justify we want equal treatment in tiny Israel but as far as your rights in your own places you've lived and the entire Middle East - we couldn't give a damn.

So is there no sympathy for Palestinians by Jews/Israelis? Yes, there is. Unlike what others posited here, Palestinians and Israelis do live and work together in Israel. They do develop friendships. Much of the militant action you hear about comes from regions, e.g. Gaza. Not all Palestinian people are alike or view this difference of opinion the same way. But when it comes right down to it, what can be done? The surrounding Arab countries are in it for themselves and use the Palestinians only so far as it helps them remove the wart that is Israel and keeps the Palestinians in someone else's back yard. They won't stop the terrorists so long as they are killing someone else's people. The Palestinians who truly want peace have a problem in that daring to stand up subjects you to potentially being another Benazir Bhutto - murdered by a suicide bomber who is doing it for Allah. And then you have the problem of who is in charge of the Palestinians? Nobody. If the Israelis have peace with 90% of the Palestinians but nobody will stop the 10% who will continue the suicide bombings, there won't be peace. The Israelis will still have to have checkpoints in every store, school, border, etc. and nobody will know whether Abu Abbas is a peaceful worker or one of the terrorists who has explosives strapped to his body. The reality pains me, the Israelis and the many Palestinians that live and work with them in Israel.