Gay Marriage: Should It Be Allowed?

This is true. Some spend years trying to be "normal", winding up with a wife and kids, before finding out (or admitting to themselves) they're gay...

Should they be forced to give up their children?

 

Never said they should be forced to give up children they already had, especially ones they had during a straight relationship. Totally different circumstances than adopting.

2 gay people can have them together, really now..

 

I see your logic, take the good with the bad, but in this situation that seems kind of... situational?

1. Should a lesbian couple be allowed to adopt?

2. What if a woman was in a straight marriage, adopted a kid, then divorced and married another woman; should she be able to keep the kid?
If yes, don't you think this would be an obvious loophole for gays to adopt?

3. What about a woman that was lesbian, but is now in a straight marriage?

 

That isn't what you said, Was it. But if you are going to take that route we should bring up people who have had vasectomies, People who have lost thier testicles in car accidents, Women who have had ovarian cancer, women who have had a hysterectomy. Should they also understand they CAN NOT have children and deal with it?

See, it doesn't take long to expose your arguments. You don't want them to be happy because they are gay, Right? Grow a spine and admit it. If you hate gays, Have the courage to say it. All you are doing is what all the others have been exposed as doing. trying to hide your homophobia behind less bigoted reasons.

the sad thing is, You are prepared to let a child remain in an orphanage for the sake of your bigoted opinions.

 

Ahh stox so you're bringing up medical reasons to compare, I guess with your logic then being Gay is a medical condition and should be treated.

Is that really the best you can do?

Nothing to do with being 'bigoted' I say let them be proud for who they are which includes NOT being able to have children.

What the fuck is so hard for you to understand? You want them to NOT be proud of who they are, I personally am all for them being proud for who they are and not for someone they are not!

 

There are always going to be 'loopholes' I yet again never stated taking a child away from a family now did I?

#1 Definitely NO
#2 Same as having a child while married naturally, yes instances such as this will happen. Doesn't really bring a reason to allow gays to adopt, nor does it take away from the fact that being gay = the inability to have children, to be proud for who they are brings with it EVERYTHING. Legal loopholes are not a reason to be 'proud' of who you are.
#3 Ahh she was a lesbian, but now isn't. How is this even up for discussion? Seriously...

 

The point was that if your argument is that because they can't have children they shouldn't have children that must also extend to other people who can't have children. grow a spine, Come out and say your real reasons for opposing it. Everyone already knows, We are just waiting for you to muster the courage to admit it.

 

No the point is being proud for who they are = being proud that they can not have children. Grow a spine and admit having children goes against being proud for who they are and everything that goes with it.

So you have no other argument, your 'health' conditions were trampled so badly. wow...

I am all for gays, I an not homophobic one bit Nice try though, I guess when someone has no argument.



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I am for equal rights, letting them get married, health benefits, equality all around. Simply siding with them and saying be proud for who they are which equals not being able to have children is not homophobic one bit.

Seriously guy, you are so far off it's not even funny.

 

I'm a little concerned that TK and GRIM are spending so much time over gay marriage. Just when you think you know someone....

I do agree with GRIM. Gays adopting kids is like vegetarians who eat vegetarian hot dogs. If you're not into meat, then why eat simulated meat?

And if you're not into hetero-sex, why try to emulate a hetero family lifestyle?

I'm cool with gays btw. I considered being gay for awhile, but just decided to date ugly women instead. lmao

 

What if they aren't wanting to adopt because they want to have children, What if they are wanting to adopt because they want to give an orphaned child a better start in life and a secure loving family?

Come on, Lets here what rationale you have to counter this one and hide your homophobia. it;s strange, But every reason that you give for not wanting them to adopt doesn't crop up when the same reasons are applied to straight couples. it seems that, Oh i don;t know, it's their homosexuality that is the real reason for your opposition and not the flimsy poorly thought through rationales you are using as the excuses.

 

There are ways they can help that go along with also being proud for who they are.

You want me to go where now?

What reasons have you listed that are the same as 'straight couples' Unless you are willing to state being gay is a health condition you have yet to point to anything even remotely similar.

Not at all, I am all for gays being proud of who they are which also includes not being able to have kids.
Flimsy thought through rationales would be your honor of having Comparing medical problems to that of being gay.

 

The last time I checked, a gay man and a gay woman have the same anatomy as a straight man or a straight woman. They have the parts to reproduce... so yes, they are physically able to have children. Now, granted, a gay couple cannot have children "normally" the way a straight couple can... but why should that matter? They should be allowed to adopt a child. Adopting a child into a caring and loving home should be all that matters in this issue - NOT the couple's sexuality.

 

the thing is grim every time the same reasons are applied to straight couples, ie the inability to have children, You don't see that as a qualifier for them not being able to adopt. Which leads me to believe that it isn't the inability to conceive that is the barrier for you, It's the homosexuality. Which makes your "views" discriminatory against homosexuals which makes you a homophobe.

It would be nice if you could find the courage to stand up for what you believe in instead of being a coward and trying to masquerade your bigoted views as something else, You coward.

 

stOx, what did I tell you about name calling?

Please try to use your brain to argue.

 

No Stox you are using a 'health' reason for straight couples.

Last I checked a health reason is different than being gay, it is NOT the same, or are you saying being gay IS a health condition.

Unless you admit that you simply have no argument.

It would be nice if you could come up with a decent argument.

Coward, oh please Stox. You call others bigots when it's in fact you who is the truest bigot of them all.

 

The little orphaned children are purchased in places like Guatemala.

I think a lot of Gay people think it's fashionable to adopt children. But when the children start to interfere with their gay lifestyle the adopted children will be discarded like a grown puppy,

 

No, I'm using the inability to conceive. That's what you said, Right? That people should understand they CAN NOT have children and deal with it?

 

Nope Stox it's a HEALTH condition for others, Gays it is not.

Totally different, anyone can see that.

Further more as I've previously stated, it's not being proud to be gay when you want children which goes EXACTLY against the very definition of being gay.



Wake me when someone comes up with a semi good argument. Stox is obviously not capable.

 

I know! After seeing all those Ron Paul posts, I would have figured most guys would be for less government interference/restrictions and real equality...

Taxes are bad, right? Unless those taxes are paying for a bunch of kids to be stuck in orphanages instead of being adopted by the evil homosexuals?

I'm a vegetarian, and I eat those hot-dog-shaped-fakes... For a reason... Hot dog buns and hamburger buns are a great food-delivery system... When they start making them in other shapes, until then I'll have to buy fake-meat shaped like hamburgers and hot-dogs...

As for the flavor, most vegetarians I know get hankerin's for meat every once in a while, and the fake-meat quells the craving, while still maintaining my healthy veggy-lifestyle...

Do you have any sources for this?

I agree, they should accept that they cannot conceive and give birth naturally with their partner if they're gay; but adoption is not natural, for anyone... So why only restrict gays from adoption?

 

I really understand where you're coming from, but adoption is not natural for anyone... They should accept and live with the fact they can't have kids of their own blood and flesh because of their sexual orientation...

But...

Being gay or straight has no correlation with being a parent to an adopted child...