Obama turns pastor hate controversy into race speech

Finally! Someone gets it.

Thank you.

 

Oh, I get it. But I'll still vote facist...uh, McCain. I like lower taxes and Johnny Jingoism.

 

Ah, then i was just giving opinions, not presenting evidence against obama .
I don't know if the others here were presenting evidence or giving personal opinions on obama.

No. As i said, i said what i felt. I never said that i have absolute proof that obama's speech is roundabout and ambiguous. Merely an opinion, which it seemed that a few others share.

 

No, apparently no evidence going on anywhere, just assertions with zero evidence to support the accusations. You're in good company - congrats!

See, when folks say Obama is an Islamist terrorist plant and a Black Nationalist and a Traitor to America and an ambiguous, roundabout, sneaky miscreant to boot, guess I would just find it useful to present a basis in fact, but that might just be me.

Much like anything in life, when engaged in a dialogue, when I say something, I usually have a basis beyond mere whimsy, and expect those I'm talking with do as well. Nuts, I know.

 

Obama was a member of the Trinity Church for 20 years

Reverend Wright made 20 years of offending sermons about America to Obama and Obama stuck around to hear them all.

What is going on inside Obama's head? I don't trust him as Commander in Church considering his background and lack of experience.

 

Obama maybe a better man and a better candidate than the other ones.
But every man has flaws and obama is no exception. I atleast hope you agree that he smokes/smoked and smoking isn't a good habit.

Also, you know atheism right. Does the non-existence of gods have conclusive evidence ? 100% proof's there or a strong opinion.

See, opinions do have some validity in human life.

 

You say that no evidence is going on anywhere. Obama came out of nowhere and slowly the real Obama is coming to light with a steady stream of new relevations and evidence about him.

Some people are blinded by hope.

 

LOL. Sure thing.

Also clinton had a clean sheet with only opinions against him.
Later opinions were validated with evidence. Opinion comes first, then evidence.
I'm not implying that all opinions will be validated with evidence later on, but there is the possibility of some opinions being true.

 

James McGeevy the ex-govenor of New Jersey was a guy that came out of nowhere and went down in a gay sexual harrasment scandal.

 

Hahahahah - uh, yeah, in addition to the smoking thing, I don't like the color of his ties, either. Nefarious! Evil incarnate! Throw da bum out!

As to atheism, it is probabilistic, it's true.

Emanating from empiricism, and known evidence.

Again, I'm fine with opinions, emanating from facts.

Did you have one? Does Bogart, Mia, or anyone else, naming him the bullshit he's been named, have a single fact? Bogart's attempt above is one he's made over and over again - "Obama has come out of nowhere....so....so....it must be a conspiracy." (When I long ago pointed out that it's happened before - say, Wendell Wilkie:

He kind of pulled the sheets over his eyes; it hasn't stopped Bogart from trying over and over again, however, to paint a picture, no matter how flawed). In Bogart's case, that conspiracy is an Islamist terror plant. But it still begs the question - "proof, please?" Such proof has been asked throughout this forum, and singularly not forthcoming.

I can appreciate anyone's problem with his policies. I cannot appreciate a crucifixion on a cross of innuendo.

 

Reeeeeeeeeeally? That's funny - I've asked countless times, and no evidence has ever been brought forward, zippo. All kinds of innuendo, of course, that is then dismissed, then the next smear, and the game continues on. It fools no one but the gullible, I suppose, but thankfully most appear to be beyond it.

Some people are just blind. Whether by intrinsic hate, a natural predisposition to conspiracy, the empty attempt to knowingly use horseshit to divert a good faith candidacy, many reasons. But blind is blind.

 

Freudian slip or theocratic obsession?

 

Just look at the way Obama speaks of national integration, creating a perfect Union, ending war, and fixing the economy... Just like Ron Paul.

He said common people should have a say in the government infested with special interest groups and lobbyists. Vote for McCain or Clinton if you desire a status quo.

But if you want REAL Change, then vote for Ron Paul or Barack Obama. These are the kind of people whom you see fire in their eyes, and are really passionate about their country. These are the kind of men who would propel America to the top - A FREE country, where people are prosperous and happy, a land of opportunity and hope.

 

Wisdom, of course - we have to know who is standing for the job. But that is my point. Obama has been transparent. Where he was schooled, by whom was he educated and raised, his religion, the jobs he's held, what he did in Chicago for over 20 years, his freakin' tax returns over several years, etc., has been addressed, directly, openly, honestly. To be honest, I do not recall this level of vituperative, gutter smear going on in any candidacy in recent history (I may be wrong, just seems so to me - an opinion, lightless). Every smear raised, has been addressed, and the man's speech yesterday is a brilliant example. A fully transparent, honest disclosure of the man's beliefs, only to be decried as "un-American," and all the other usual horseshit by the very folks that say he is "hiding something," resorting to a ridiculous surgery of the man's speech to bolster an exceedingly weak position.

It's as bad as this:

SEE!

When in fact I said:

A bad example, perhaps - only it is exactly what is being done here. It should be obvious. This "subterranean unknown" has been more transparent than any candidate in the field, and it isn't enough. So I conclude less than honorable intent on the part of those screaming Islamist terrorist plant/Black Nationalist/Traitor, etc. I called long ago to evaluate the man's candidacy on the merits, and outside of Rebecca, Guerilla, and others (largely RP supporters) taking issue with his politics (something I can respect), this other crap has been de rigueur on the forum. Shame, seems to me.

 

Uh, did I miss something? The only people who are missing out on those attributes in this country are the ones who either don't or won't believe that they exist.

I don't believe in "the disenfranchised". That's a crock, perpetrated by organizational leaders of different factions to keep people under their ranks. In America, the only limit on what you can make or do is in your head, and the sooner individuals come to that realization, the better for them.

 

Ah, maybe something politically substantial. What about these ?

1] Terrible voting record as a senator
2] He says he was against the Iraq war from the start, but then votes to fund the war
http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490

 

Then you have never been disenfranchised.

In America, you can only go as far as you want, until someone hires a lobbyist to stop you.

 

I wish it were that simple, Yraq. But if the notion that one's background and environment determines one's life is grossly erroneous, so is the notion that it's a generic marketplace, where all that matters are your abilities and spirit.

Here, only a very brief example. I worked for a regional brewery here in Chicago. On the production line were some truly down and out folks. I came to know a lot of them, in a way I couldn't have before. Some were folks, quite honestly, I would normally have beat to within an inch of their lives, had I come across them in the streets - gang members. While I excuse nothing - nothing - in someone's decision in life, I also was opened to what it is to grow up as a young black kid, more often than not, in America's cities. These kids go to school, and by the age of 5 or less, have to align with one gang or another or risk losing their life. Yes, some rise above it, and yes, there is no excuse for choosing a life of violence over a life of peace. But I cannot presume to understand what it is to be young, inner-city, and black in modern America. Or brown. Or just damn poor and marginalized, regardless of race. Until we acknowledge that there are legacies - institutional, geographic, and other lasting vestiges - that shape individual lives, from early on, we'll never move on.

I don't see Obama calling for laziness, or excuses. I see him addressing reality, I see him issuing a call to all our better natures, and I applaud him for it.