Atheism is necessarily ignorance (no hate)

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  1. demosfen

    demosfen Peon

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    #21
    I don't know if it's 'ridiculous', but it's counter-scientific. You can't prove a negative, so believing that god doesn't exist because you are not aware of any evidence of his existence violates basic boolean logic law. They teach it in freshman Logic 101 class where I come from, too bad it's banned from scientific community around here
     
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    #22
    It would only be faulty logic if the absence of evidence was used as evidence for the absence. That isn't what is happening.
     
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    #23
    No, there aren't any exceptions in that law
     
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    #24
    Do you believe there is a chimpanzee next to you? If not, Why not? because you can't see one right?
    You are using the lack of evidence supporting the existence of said chimpanzee to believe that one doesn't exist. it's a perfectly reasonable way of coming to conclusions.

    Though i think you should resit your "freshman logic 101 class". the negative proof fallacy is when someone says something DOES exist because there is no evidence that it doesn't.
     
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  5. Jackuul

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    #25
    ALL HAIL THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER! FOR HE IS THE ONE TRUE GOD!

    Apatheism is my new word. I am Apatheistic.
     
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    #26
    NO WAY

    ALL HAIL THE INVISIBLE PINK UNICORN! FOR IT IS THE ONE TRUE GOD.
     
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  7. Jackuul

    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    #27
    Candy Mountain Charlie!
     
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  8. demosfen

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    #28
    I don't have any beliefs

    Lack of evidence for the existence of the chimpanzee neither proves or disproves it's existence
     
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    #29
    Lack of evidence does disprove that chimps existence. If I sat in a group and 9 of 10 said that a chimp is right there beside me licking on a choco bar. . . .chances are I would believe them even if i never saw it.
     
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    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    Then that means you are a follower. What if 9/10 said to kill the person next to you? Would you? After all, they say so, so it must be true that you have to kill them.

    Yay herd mentality.
     
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    #31
    I am an atheist by choice. I meant "I" as in 'you"/"we" :)
     
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    #32
    I am neither arguing nor have an opinion, I am just going by boolean algebra
     
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    #33
    Evidence of God for me is the creation of life.

    Something cannot come from nothing.

    If you leave a glass on a table for a million + 1 years (scratch that, make it a billion) the glass will still remain empty (maybe a lot of dust)... there will be no life.

    Considering that we're all self-actualising creatures, debating the existence of God here on the internet is an amazing feat in and of itself.

    Sheer Mathematical Probability Suggests the Universe Was Created by Intelligent Design

    The more scientists dig into how the universe created, the more evidence they find that it's of intelligent design since its mathematically impossible that it is a random occurence.

    P.S. Last year I was athiest.

    "their god".... So where's the real difference in God between all religions ?
     
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    #34
    atheism isnt ignorance...actually,we only don't believe in imaginary friends as theists do.
    lol
     
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    #35
    where did the god come from?
     
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    #36
    What does the color blue smell like?
     
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    #37
    Now that is the best question asked!
     
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    #38
    Way to dodge the question. Fact is you're using god to explain something coming from nothing, creating an even bigger question: what created your supposed god? Essentially if god is powerful enough to create us, then what the fuck could have possibly created god? Something even more powerful? Care to solve this loop?

    I find it crazy how you can begin to question an atheists logic when yours so is faulty.
     
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    #39
    I thought you might have gotten the point, but I overestimated you.

    The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, "What does blue smell like?" Blue is not in the category of things that have odor, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created, or come into existence, or are caused. God is uncaused and uncreated - he simply exists.

    How do we know this? Well, we know that from nothing, nothing comes. So if there was ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence then nothing would have ever come to exist. But things do exist, you and I and everything else around us. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been existing. That ever-existing thing is what we call God.

    In addition, Einstein’s general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter and space, and without matter and space time cannot exist. Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore, God has no beginning or end, and is not limited by the dimension of time.

    Furthermore, we have creatures like this walking the earth:
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    THANK YOU GOD
     
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  20. Rub3X

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    #40
    In the same way, earth is not in the category of things that are created, or come into existence, or are caused. Earth is uncaused and uncreated - it simply exists.

    You fail.

    PS maybe you should stop trying to explain something that's currently not possible to explain. It'll save you from looking ridiculous.

    PPS it's no surprise you left me red rep. I guess you can't handle a debate when you're the one losing. It's O.k you can always keep making things up. For instance, you say god is uncreated and simply exists, then why can't earth? Cause you say so? Right.

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    Do us all a favor.
     
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