Chinese crackdown on Tibetan protesters

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by chenzen, Mar 15, 2008.

  1. #1
    Chinese armored carriers and troops suppressed Tibetan Monks
    demonstration and clashed with protesters.

    See here.

    There were reports of more than ten people killed.

    Communists who spout platitudes about equality and socialism come down
    with an iron hand on anybody who dares queer their pitch.

    India where the dalai lama lives don't want to anger their giant neighbor
    and the US usually requests china "to follow restraint" like in the case
    of Turkish incursion into northern Iraq.

    Apparently some lives are cheaper than others.

    Democracy obviously means different things to others.

    Your opinions?
     
    chenzen, Mar 15, 2008 IP
  2. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    China is a rapidly growing country, a regional power with the ability to be a super power in the next 50 years. It would be difficult for USA to force its will or opinion on such a country. It would be better for USA to engage China rather than to confront China, therefore they are more or less paying lip service to what had occurred. Frankly speaking there is not much leverage USA has on China.
     
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    gauharjk Notable Member

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    Tibet needs help... Agrrrr This planet is AWFUL...:mad::mad::mad:
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    What does the US have to do with this, is this somehow our fault as well? Blame China. Anyway, Hollywood stars are calling for a boycott of olympics because of way China treats Tibet here. I already boycott China because they eat dogs and cats and use them for fur coats. They also imprison bloggers and journalists for saying anything against the government. They have forced women to get abortions because of their child limit laws. I wish I could help the monks in Tibet, it is really sad.:(
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    It is sad but USA cant be everywhere, they are also not meant to be the World's police. With China military might as well as their well trained military police forces, it is doubtful that the poor monks stand any chances at all :(


     
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    The Monks cannot fight. No one is willing to support them.

    If Tibet is indeed improving financially and developing rapidly, why are these people fighting? Independence from what? Democracy is not always good, coz it brings with it corruption and dirty politics.

    These Monks want their Spiritual leader Dalai Lama to lead them. Religion can be a huge motivator... And it holds a very important place in their life.
     
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  7. chenzen

    chenzen Active Member

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    No one is saying it is US's fault. As the worlds superpower it has good leverage. Why do you imagine china is
    shouting from the rooftops crying foul every time US releases its human rights report about the abuses in China?

    As wisdomtool said it would be far better if US, India and other countries engage China and say that this
    type of behavior is out of place in the modern world.

    Already Myanmar(Burma) is forgotten by the world. Kids nowadays would hardly believe Tibet used to be
    an independent country few decades ago.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    Myanmar used to be one of the most developed countries in Asia, one of their countryman even became the Secretary General of the United Nations. Uthant really did Asia proud at that time. Rangoon University was compared to Oxford and Cambridge. It is really a modern day tragedy.

    Tibet wise was under Chinese influence for hundreds of years. I don't think China will give up Tibet. To them it is part of their land and country. Another Taiwan, I would say that any Chinese leader who gave up Tibet will not have survive in his own country.

    Internally I do not see any powerful movements capable of dislodging the Chinese, you must know that Chinese immigrants are going to Tibet in droves, I would not be surprised that even in Tibet, their natives are a minority. Externally I do not see any nation willing to do more or can do more to help Tibet other than lip service.

    Just hoping that China and Tibet can coexist peacefully and that Tibet would develop and be prosperous and not be a backwaters in China. Hopefully as China grows affluent it takes into account more human rights and democracy.
     
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    Nobody will help or support tibet strongly.
    "It's dangerous siding with the weak, if you earn the scorn of the strong"

    Let's just hope that china grants some autonomy and rights to tibet. Maybe some good hearted chinese leader will see to it.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    Sad to say that this is the reality, just hope that when China achieve democracy, Tibet will be able to see the light, we can only hope so.

     
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    If only the Chinese had oil, we'd be sending troops there to instill democracy
     
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    Democracy is the rule of majority, Tibetans are not the majority
     
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    Pakistan and Russi ashould step in pressure on China,
    India is the only one really supporting Tibet in that area
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    IMHO, quite unlikely, firstly they do not have much influence in China and secondly they have no strategic reasons to help Tibet.

     
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    Where did you learn that from?

    May I ask you where did you learn this from?
     
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    chenzen Active Member

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    Please check this.

    especially the part where after the British invasion of Tibet, china first

    asserted its claim over Tibet. Tibetan people as a race are distinct from

    the Chinese majority.

    We can quarrel over semantics all day long but I am more worried about the

    Indian leftists stand. They were very vociferous to block the Indo-US nuclear

    deal but there is not even a slight squeek about the Chinese crackdown.

    Even Dalai Lama has given up the claims over independence but wants only

    autonomy.

    The ugly truth is Communists are highly intolerant towards dissent and

    the big powers act blind when their interests are at stake.
     
    chenzen, Mar 18, 2008 IP
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    #17
    Google knows all. Results from:
    forced abortions, china
     
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    SEOBusiness Well-Known Member

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    TIBET IS NOT KOSOVO AND CHINA IS NOT SERBIA.

    ONLY GOD AND THE BIBLE KNOW ALL.SORRY FOR THOSE COUPLES.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    Tibet has been on and off Chinese rule and influence for more than a thousand years since the Mongolian dynasty of Yuan. 1271-1368. So it is definitely not recent history and British invasion has not much to do with Tibet sovereign rights. But who is right or wrong is more or less lost in the annals of history. Just hoping that the Tibetians can have more autonomy and can enjoy more of the fruits of China economic boom.

    Even Dalai Lama was opting for autonomy rather than independence indicate the futility of their independence. Just hope that China take good care of this country and its people.
     
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    Nobody is comparing anything. So Tibetans are not allowed to demonstrate
    and if anybody shows dissent they are anti-national isn't it?

    Rest of the world can twiddle their thumbs. Who cares about a few
    Tibetans anyway?

    Intolerance is the beginning of revolution as the imperialists found out
    to their cost in China in the early twentieth century and the wheel
    could come full circle.
     
    chenzen, Mar 18, 2008 IP