What if Usa detonates nuclear bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by zangief, Mar 15, 2008.

  1. #1
    Imo we should be more afraid of Usa then Iran cause they have usd it and also when ver their economy gos worse they attack a country on earth.
    Iranians have to worry more than the Americans.
     
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  2. gauharjk

    gauharjk Notable Member

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    Yeah... I agree

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_the_United_States

     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #3
    If you are an Islamic terrorist, then yeah, you have more to fear from the USA than Iran.

    If you are a peaceful nation that does not threaten the United States you have nothing to worry about.

    I wonder why you two fear America's nuclear weapons?
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #4
    Is it not possible to be a peaceful nation that terrorists hide in, and hence be worried?

    Let's face it. The average Iraqi probably didn't have much quarrel with the USA. Iraqis for the most part were moderates and relatively cosmopolitan for the ME.

    Yet their country has been devastated for 18 years and occupied by a foreign power for 5.

    Why shouldn't peaceful civilians be concerned about a country that doesn't distinguish between friend and foe. Civilian deaths are "collateral damage" and when necessary, chemical weapons (like the white phosphorus used on Falujah) can be used as a weapon against women and children.
     
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    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    I think the dead souls of Hiroshima and Nagasaki may have to disagree with you on that.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    You think Iraqis fear a US nuclear attack? I don't.

    We are talking about a nuclear threat. You think because the US used white phosphorus that it makes it likely the US will use a nuclear weapon in Iraq?


    Disagree with what? I said that countries that threaten the United States should worry. Japan attacked the United States so yeah, the Japanese had a reason to worry about the US. Likewise, so any country that attacks us now should also consider the possible response. If the US were ever hit with a nuclear weapon you can bet we would respond in kind if there was an appropriate target.
     
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    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure the people of the 2 cities nuked were more peaceful then their government/military.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    You wrote that "peaceful nations have NOTHING to worry about."

    Obviously this is not true.

    The use of both are war crimes, are they not?
     
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    zangief Well-Known Member

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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    Here is what the Japanese did first.

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    Japan and the United States have resolved our differences and are great partners now. Likewise with Germany.

    I am done with this thread. I see no reason to continue this debate.
     
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    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    Anyone willing to discuss FDR's acknowledgment of the incoming threat from Australian radars and did nothing?
     
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    zangief Well-Known Member

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    Although it is bad a military base and two cities full of civilians are different.
    But your goverments need fear (the reds , the muslims etc) to rule you and to cover their sins.

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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #13
    Actually, FDR put oil sanctions on them during wartime. They were goaded into attack Pearl Harbor, and surely you recognize the difference between attacking a military base and attacking a city full of civilians.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/JC05Dh01.html

    Yeah, it might get uncomfortable for you. :rolleyes:

    I doubt you will find any takers. The truth isn't very popular.
     
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    I think that's what separates his mentality from that of a rational persons.
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    The Mayor of Hiroshima wrote this:
    City of Hiroshima Peace Declaration
    They push to end all nuclear weapons worldwide. I guess because they understand more than anyone what it is like.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    The usage of the A-Bomb at that time was a human catastrophe, but it was brought about when the Japanese started attacking and conquering other nations. How about the Rape on Nanking by the Japanese, the usage of humans as guinea pigs for their biochemical weapons in Manchuria?

    At that time, Japan refused to surrender and vow to fight to the end. The 2 A-Bombs forced them to surrender and avoid a potentially more costly war in terms of human lives on Japan soil. If my memories did not fail me, though they lost, the Japanese could still muster 7 million troops to defend against the USA landing. Till today Japan refused to acknowledge their war atrocities. Hiroshima and Nagasaki civilians are innocent but how about the millions of innocent lives that Japan massacred during the World War Two in pursuit of their Greater East Asia Co Prosperity Sphere?




     
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    WT, it's funny, because the conclusion is that all war is bad, and yet there are still people who will argue that war is necessary and justified.

    I definitely need to do a lot more research on the Japanese and WWII.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    Politics are too messy, There is no such thing as a just war, necessary is harder to define. Just war is easily to define, no war is just, because war itself brings untold sufferings to the civilian populations. IMHO zangief post is quite one sided, it did not take into the historical perspective that cause USA to make such a decision.


     
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    I read that we warned them before we dropped the first bomb. Germany had surrendered in may, and we were trying to get them to do the same. Then after we dropped bomb in Hiroshima, we warned another one coming unless they surrendered. They refused to negotiate. Then came Nagasaki and they surrendered in august so we could end the war. The Japanese were not innocent. Here is the Wiki on Japanese war crimes. At the same time, I can only imagine the horrors of a nuclear holocaust. I feel very bad about it, just human being to human being, because no one should ever have to go through that. It is very sad.

    Edit: I read that link some more and was shocked...
     
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    No doubt. That is how I feel about most of this stuff. Soldiers volunteer to fight and possibly die, that's one thing. But civilians, that's another thing altogether.

    It gets me really worked up.
     
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