Should Dutch film "FITNA' be banned?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Peace4all, Mar 14, 2008.

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Should Dutch film "Fitna" be banned?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    39 vote(s)
    65.0%
  1. Rankhyips

    Rankhyips Banned

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    #21
    Yes, that is correct, but do we, the people, have to pay such a high price for it? Are we at fault?

    Unfortunately, I'm talking about 3rd generation, mostly, who have been spoon-fed by the 2nd generation to hate us, since they were in their diapers.


    Yes, MY continent. It's not just religion, but race as well and Europe is NOT Muslim NOR N-African (mainly). If they could behave like human beings, I wouldn't have a problem with them. But similar to animals, when they're in a horde, they're a danger.

    Correct but should we pay for what happened in the past, before I was born? Should history repeat itself due to ... history?

    I agree. But then, you and I are not the chosen ones. We're just secondhand people. Garbage, worthless, pions of a chess game.

    The plan was disguised in a "need for labor" some decades ago. Don't believe me? I'm telling you the riots were just a warm-up. It will soon be clear to the whole world. You just need logic and some experience, like living in the hotspot.

    The situation then and now is not comparable. Why not compare it with the Stone Ages? Come on...

    That's why Europe should be colonized. :rolleyes:
     
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    #22
    You know what, I don't like what you say, but some of it is indeed true. The cultural differences are too great for an easy assimilation. Give it 20 more years, ask your government to start national integration programmes with the help of Press, Television and Radio, and keep broadcasting messages of integration. It would have a sublimal effect, and in 20 years, you won't be offended by Asians or N. Africans or people of other religions.

    Unfortunately, in your anger to speak up, you've just called me and my people "animals". It was not expected, but I can still understand your frustration.
     
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  3. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #23
    I respect your candidness, yes indeed assimilation would be a challenge, the France had left their inner cities alone without much efforts in helping their minorities adapt themselves into the mainstream resulting in the riots. They are now correcting this, hopefully it will show some results.

    Patience, on both sides is needed and tolerance will definitely be tested to the limits. But given the efforts on both sides, it has a chance of succeeding. The alternatives to success would be too bleak to imagine.


     
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    #24
    I did not call you or your people animals. The ones who are not behaving act like animals.

    Press, TV, etc... it's being done, overdone. We are the bad guys, the racists. They are the poor victims. 20 days per month on the news. I just finished watching a political program. The usual stuff.

    I don't think you can compare Asians with N-Africans. Asians are mostly very decent people in my experience. I am even going to marry one...
     
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    #25
    Tell me more about N. African people...

    Are they criminals? What could be the reason? Poverty? Race? Religion? Mindset? Surroundings?
     
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    #26
    Don't generalize. There is good and bad everywhere.
    Nobody is inherently bad.

    But when the voices that speak and are heard the loudest from a country are evil, it's easy to believe that the whole country is evil.
     
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    #27
    Very true.

    First, I don't approve of violence.

    Sometimes, the manifestation of violence is a protest or a reaction. In fact, that is what the Chicago Project on Suicide Terrorism has concluded.
     
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    #28
    there are people that are using your religion to motivate and recruit people to commit violent act. there are numerous example of this and you must deal with it. you fail to consider that and its effect on millions of ordinary muslems.
    but this is not a phenomenon exclusive to Islam all religions have been used as a tool . try to find a way to deal with it more effectively
    as far as the movie maybe you should consider it of a less importance as bigger problem exists god does not need you to protect it
     
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    #29
    No film should be banned. If you don't want to watch it, then don't watch it. But please, Don't ever tell me what i am allowed to watch.
     
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    #30
    That's funny, because I think you had a thread closed here because you didn't like the discussion.

    Guess censorship is ok as long as you are the one doing it?
     
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    #31
    I don't generalize. I have many friends among them. But I can't say there are as many bad apples among Asians, among Europeans.
    While N-Africans are a minority, they are a majority in our prisons to such a point that we have to build new ones. They commit a majority of the felonies. You tell me why that is.

    I can generalize on one point: They are much more aggressive than other races/religions. And whatever the reason is, not one reason is acceptable!

    If they don't like it here, they're free to go back from where they come. Unfortunately, our social system is so attractive...

    Are they criminals? All? Of course not.

    Being from Belgium, I should not even complain. All the surrounding countries are in a much worse situation. Take Paris for example. 128 ghettos you don't come in as a white guy if you want to live. A French TV-crew took the test. They were not really welcomed with open arms to say the least.
    Is that normal??? Should we accept this? Will any attempt to integrate/civilize them have the slightest effect? Hell no. It's too late. Their army will grow and one day we'll wake up in a European civil war from Sweden to Spain.
     
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    #32
    I didn't have it closed because i disagreed with the discussion, I had it closed because it was hijacked and was no longer discussing what i had intended to discuss in it. Start your own threads if there are subjects you want to talk about.
     
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    #33
    Right, so several pages into a great discussion, one in which you were thoroughly handed your @ss for making ignorant comments about Africa, you close the thread.

    But stOx is the great champion against censorship. :rolleyes:

    If you had an open mind, you wouldn't care the thread was OT. Your discussion with Kalvin had run it's course. It made no difference to you if it was open or closed, except perhaps, the embarrassment of having made so many foolish comments. Btw, did you ask for the RP Updates thread to be closed as well?
     
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    #34
    You were hijacking the thread, Just like you are trying to do here. If you didn't have such a track record of hijacking threads to fawn over ron paul or preach this anti-government rhetoric i would probably have turned a blind eye. But we can only have so many threads that you end up taking OT before it becomes boring. But like i said, Feel free to start your own thread, Just stop hijacking other peoples.

    No i didn't ask for the ron paul updates thread to be closed.
     
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    #35
    My hopes that everybody in the world can get along fine, have been dealt a deathblow ...... again.
     
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    #36
    Don't worry this is relatively common in the PR forum. They are doing fine, just some differences in opinion thats all :)


     
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    #37
    Not at all. You posted something that was totally hypocritical, and I called you on it. Just as I did in the other thread.

    Don't expect the mods to protect you when you post half truths and outright lies. And don't try to claim the high road on say, censorship, when you yourself try to censor what other people have to say.

    Your real feelings are here...
    Of course, you didn't turn a blind eye. You exercised censorship. It wasn't about taking it off topic, it was that you don't like what I have to say.

    You'll probably respond but I think I've made it pretty clear and obvious that you are a hypocrite and like to exercise control over others, control you won't tolerate over yourself, when it suits your agenda.

    Which explains a lot about why you endorse an all powerful state that monitors, harasses and controls it's citizens. You're to weak to argue with me, so you use the power of the establishment to silence me. Very small, very petty, very insecure. And now, very obvious.
     
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    #38
    I live in holland and we all hate wilders.
    It'll be 28 march on tv, I hope it gets canceled :S
    Everybody thinks it's the fault of us but no, it's only one frigging person.
     
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    #39
    gorrila, If you go in to someone else's house and start protesting it's not "censorship" to have them removed. You are perfectly entitled to have your opinions and to voice them, But you aren't entitled to do it wherever you please.
     
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    #40
    You are right. But most differences of opinion around here don't look like mere differences of opinion.
    Oh well, it isn't much different in the real world either.
     
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