Should Dutch film "FITNA' be banned?

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Should Dutch film "Fitna" be banned?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. #1
    A section of Muslims in the city (Mumbai) has asked the Government to ban the controversial film 'Fitna' that is shceduled to be released on 28 March.

    This 'Fitna' is produced and directed by Dutch politician Geert Wilders, the 15 minutes film claims to offer a 'critical view of Islam and the Quran'.

    My personal view on this issue is to ban the film not only in India but also all over the world, because the basic funda is that no religion of the world neither promote terrorism nor hatred. It is simply the misinterpretation of the Quranic Versse. Which the author might have failed to understand with right spirit.
     
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  2. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    The irony is that film depicts Islam as being violent. The film maker is actually planning on Muslims becoming violent. He already has bodyguards, is planning on death threats, and even is prepared to go in hiding in another country. Whether the government bans it or not, this film will come out. The film maker plans to publish it on You Tube if it is banned. With the fact that it is inevitable, the only question is how will Muslims react. If they react violently, they will prove film makers point and make the film even more popular. What if instead of violent demonstrations, they had peaceful ones and prayed? If Allah is real and offended, he should be able to deal with film maker himself. What if they used popularity of this film to create their own film to respond why he is wrong? What if instead of death threats they went to media and explained why this film hurts them? It is much easier to relate or feel support for someone that is being peaceful.
     
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    bogart Notable Member

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    Muslims need to control their violent urges. It seems every other month there a muslim riots in Europe.
     
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    Nora Well-Known Member

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    I think the movie should definitely not be banned. Freedom of speech is important here in Holland, if people want to ban it in other countries then that's fine but I think they should not interfere with what goes on in Europe.

    I find it very disturbing that people are threatening the Netherlands because of a movie, basically that means everybody who has different opinions about the Islam should die.. Saying that it should be banned to protect the lives of Dutch people is wrong as well, if we ban this movie what do they want us to do next? Convert to their religion and follow their laws?

    I think muslims need to chill a bit, it's okay for them to say whatever they want about Jews and threaten them but it's not okay if a movie is made about how Islam affects Europe? They don't own the world.. (not trying to offend anybody but that's how I see things)
     
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  5. Peace4all

    Peace4all Active Member

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    The literal meaning of Islam is "Peace". Then how can Islam specially the holy Quran can be cause of terrorism and hatret to non muslims. The author actually failed to understand the true spirit of holy Quran.
     
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  6. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    It is another version of Danish cartoonists trying to provoke backlash of the Muslim population I guess. Is this the correct approach to engage the Islamic communities? Aren't they better ways to communicate with them and know their culture as well as letting them know ours without the need to provoke them with our so call rights to free speech and free expression?
     
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    scubita Peon

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    AS stated some posts above, if theres a bad reaction to the movie from Muslims, "they will prove film makers point"... So, thats not an easy issue, seems that no one will be ok with it or without it.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    Isn't that a catch 22 plot from the film maker?

     
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    scubita Peon

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    Sorry for my bad english, but i don't understand that. Can u put it plain simple? thanks.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    What I mean is the film maker is putting Muslims in a spot, he depict them as violent, if they don't protest they are depict as violent, if they protest, the media will depict them as violent. Both ways the film maker wins.
     
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    scubita Peon

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    Thanks, now i understand what you mean. And yes, is a no win situation for Muslims. Altought if they don't protest the movie, it should have no power in the media... so... :confused:
     
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  12. Rankhyips

    Rankhyips Banned

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    No ban. We're still boss in our continent, not the Muslims. Thank you.
    If they don't like our freedoms, let them go back from where they come.
    The reactions around this movie and previous riots just prove that we can't live together. The difference is too big.

    One major downside about Geert Wilders. He's very biased. He's an anti-Muslim, but (very) pro-Israel, a bit like Gtech, and he gets support from Israel. Not good.

    It's too late anyway. The Muslims formed their army in Europe. The sooner the clash, the better. If it's now, we still have a chance to win. If it takes another generation, they will be a majority. It was all planned.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    I beg to differ on this. I do not think that the ultimate fate will be a clash of religions and civilizations. Muslims and non Muslims could and should coexist peacefully.

    It just take some efforts from each side to get to know each others' religion, culture and beliefs better and to accept that each of us have the right to be different and to respect each others' right to be different.

    It would be a long and tedious process but it can be done and should be done.


     
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    Rankhyips Banned

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    It sounds good, Wisdomtool. It's just impossible. They hate us deeply. Every reason is ok to molest us. You look at them for a second and they will kick the hell out of you with 10. They're slowly taking over control over Europe with violence.
    Although you have some, but not enough, great folks among them, it's not going to take one generation before the whole continent explodes. I wish it was different. Racism from their side is about the last taboo that is left untouched. You should live where I live for just one week, you'd understand.

    On the other hand, they and we are the pions of a game of chess and the players knew beforehand what was going to happen if the 2 cultures were to live together: An inevitable clash. Once again, the players will laugh while they watch us slaughter each other.
     
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    There is some unacceptable violence going on but what you suggest sounds too pessimistic, I really hope it won't come to that. I can see how you would come to this conclusion given the recent riots against the Danish cartoonists and their threats of death to the cartoonists.

    Have you consider that a clash will not be a one off but will be a continued warfare between the different religions and ethnic groups? I am hoping that a great Muslim leader with great charisma will appear to guide his lost flock of sheep to a better integration with the Europe proper.


     
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    Rankhyips Banned

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    I hope you're right but I'm really not too pessimistic. It's not just the riots in France or Denmark. I'm talking about my own little town...
    A small town with a higher than normal density of Muslims, "coincidentally" it's in the top 5 towns with the highest criminal activity in Belgium.

    It's not that I want a clash, it's just inevitable. If I "want" it now, it's only because we might have a chance to survive. Either way, we're in deep sh*t.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    Could it be because of the economic conditions of the Muslim population? I am assuming that they may be migrants who would have difficulty finding a job or getting a livelihood and hence more crimes in your town?

    Normally the 2nd and later generations will fit in much better into the society and hopefully the crime rates will decrease and the level of integration into society better and higher.


     
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    the more controversy you put into it, like banning it, the more popular it will get.
     
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    Your Continent?:confused: All religions have their own continents??? I'm sorry, but I am new to this game... Kindly enlighten me about the Hindu continent, Buddhist continent, Muslim continent and Jewish continents...

    Yes, the cultural differences are huge. But Europeans have been the most violent people throughout history. It is only in the last 50 years that most of the warmnogers have migrated to countries where their talents could be better utilized during the cold war.


    That guy wilders is just looking for trouble. I wish we Muslims had an organisation on the lines similar to the anti-defamation league, and we could label anyone an "anti-......"

    Too bad no one told me about that plan... :D... I am ready to go to any European country... :D

    If Muslims had actually planned for a clash to happen, like you believe, then why didn't they send expeditions to the New World in the 15th century like other European colonizers?

    The truth is, Muslims have shown poor Organizational skills, and lack of unity. Coupled with it is the fact that most Muslim countries are run by greedy dictators and kings, and most Muslims happen to be poor.
     
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    Davinci code ?

    Nothing good ever came of banning. Even more people will watch the film and some people will criticise those who want it to be banned.
     
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