Religion, the truth or a horrible lie?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by birdsfly, Jun 29, 2007.

  1. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #761
    I've become a better person since i ditched the fiction, but i get what you're saying.
     
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    #762
    Thanks. At least you can see I am not some "blind faith ignoramus" like some are making me out to be. I am only bringing in a viewpoint for those who want to learn about what the Bible teaches. If people don't want to know then that's fine with me. I ain't going to bring them down like some people here do. However, some are not able to just let things go. Some are driven to ridicule, attack and devalue others in this forum and continue with it. It just makes me sit back and look at the people who have tunnel vision and those who do not (according to their comments of course!).

    I have decided to take the "two" off ignore for now. There was no point in keeping them on ignore because I could read what they said when others quoted their comments.

    So, here's to me not sticking my fingers in my ears :D

    Your fellow clown, coward and whatever other names some feel best to call me :D
     
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    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #763
    i'd never ridicule someone because of their faith, a lot of atheists become atheists for that king of judgment and still some do it themselves! does not seem logical to me.
     
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    #764
    That's great to hear. Good for you. The other part of my post was aimed at some others in this thread and they know exactly who they are. I feel they will react to my last two posts soon. Prepare your eyes. It's not gonna be pleasant :D
     
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    #766
    nice video, any truth to that love/hate water thing?
     
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    #767
    Very little. His experiments were some of the least scientific experiments ever done. James Randi offered him a million dollars if his results can be reproduced in a double blind trial, He is yet to accept the challenge.

    You could do the same thing by saying that the word "love" made sticks straight and the word "hate" made them bent, and then prove it by thinking "love" before going off to look for a straight stick.

    Suffice to say, It's bullshit and his "results" were selected to fit his premise.
     
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    #768
    Completely agreed Stox, things that seem too good to be true often ARE. The scientific method is rigorous and will only find true results or patterns, if this guy doesn't want to do the experiment again, then I guess he isn't using the scientific method and hence the experiment is not scientific AT ALL, but completely inconclusive.
     
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    #769
    Its simply because they don't really have much to look forward to. Religion gives them something to think about, just something to do to pass time.
     
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    #770
    I'm a Christian from birth but don't practice Christianity. Do I believe in God? probably not at this moment in time, do I believe in the bible? probably not, do I believe in Religion, most certainly. I've just dared step into this area of the forum for fear of not knowing what to say, and or if I'll ever say the 'right' thing. What I do believe is that no-one should ever condemn another for their views on Religion providing the religion is in the interests of mankind. Sometimes I wonder if that is the case.
     
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    #771
    How is one born a Christian?

    Jesus said one had to be born-again which is a spiritual birth.
     
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    #773
    I was born into a family who followed the Christian faith. Without having a huge amount of knowledge on Christianity, a 'Born again' Christian is someone who has decided to accept their sins and wishes to follow the path of God. To my mind you can be born following the path of God, and whether I believed in him or not I was born to do so, that's why I was 'Born' a Christian. Whether I follow this path strictly now is open for debate as its difficult to follow someone you question.

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    So basically you were born in a family that were believers then and you were taught from the Bible or went to church.

    It is a common misunderstanding that you can be born a "Christian" leaving many feeling like "it " didn't work for them, but not realizing that the hard part doesn't come until after you are born-again in Christ Jesus.

    Many, if not all, the muslims that have posted on DP think that ALL of America is Christian and that somehow that the p_rn star they watch is christian because she had a cross necklace on...
     
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    #775
    Don't take this the wrong way, but I see the trouble with 'born again Christians' is they often feel this need to feel 'more' Christian than those naturally born into Christianity. I don't quite feel the need to distinguish between being born (entering this world) into Christianity, or being 'born' in the second sense where you take certain vows.

    The fact of the matter, and it is a fact after all, I was born a Christian, it was put on my birth certificate, and taught to me from as early as I remember. Having followed those beliefs for the largest part of my life I don't for a second think I need to be re-born again as you seem to suggest? To be truthful its a pretty condescending comment even if you never meant it that way.
     
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    #776
    lol, born into Christianity, lol, funniest thing ive heard, read your bible friend
     
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    #777
    The whole point I was trying to make is to maybe clarify a very common misunderstanding. You can't be born Christian. I can care less what it says on someones birth certificate, that makes no difference.

    There is no such thing as being "more Christian" either. If one is truely converted by the way that Jesus taught, then there is either Christian or not.
     
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    #778
    Do you know what being born a Christian is? I was born and baptised within hours but was clearly too young to believe, thus according to scripture could not be a true Christian, I was taught the scriptures and believed and baptised again, during this period I wronged no-one nor did I commit any sin that I needed to repent thus by interpretation alone I was born a Christian and remain one.

    To laugh is to be ignorant, I'm assuming your a born again Christian who's read the bible chapter and verse and formed his own views on its meanings? You won't be on your own, the scriptures are so wide open to interpretation, even ignorant interpretations, but you won't ever see me mock that.
     
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    The ignorance lies in you stating you were born a christian, yet you state you clearly didn't believe. Believing is part of being a Christian, it is a requirement, which is why you should read up. You may have had a christian upbringing, but that doesn't make you christian. There is no such thing as being born christian, the question is, Do you know what being a christian is? It sounds like you do, so you should know you were not born a christian, like you said you have to not only accept and believe, but you have to repent, which means to change your mind, which means, you have to hate the sins you once loved.

    To be born again is to have a heart transplant, its starting over with a new view on life, with new goal, and a new focus. If you said the old prayer that's not enough, you must follow through with changing your life to walk with Jesus. And if you are sincere in your prayer, you will do just that.

    As far as interpretation, i leave that to the spirit, and though some of the minor details are not always agreed upon, the ones that count are usually quite clear. Many will deceive you, and say they know the truth, the bible says you can tell a bad tree by its fruit.

    Many will go before god saying lord, lord. God will repy, Depart from me, I never knew you. It takes more than claiming to be christian, to be a christian.
     
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    #780
    I said I was TOO YOUNG TO BELIEVE. At least consciously.

    Why are you such an argumentative person? You certainly cannot be a true Christian if at all to be so scornful, or are you one of the new breed that just likes to think they are? I suspect your not, because if you are then prepare to be judged as you shall judge others.

    I don't wish to discuss with you any further as your clearly a bitter person, mine is not to try and make you other than who you choose to be.
     
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