Holocaust in Gaza

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by gauharjk, Mar 10, 2008.

  1. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #2
    Where are the gas chambers?

    Where is the program to kill all Palestinians?

    Where are the trains taking people from their homes?

    Where are the death camps?

    What is happening in Gaza is the unfortunate effect of two peoples fighting. Hamas and others on one side and Israel on the other. It is hardly a holocaust or even anything like it. That type of outright lie is one problem the Palestinians have. People like you making wholesale lies on their behalf. If there ever was a legitimate complaint it would be hard to notice amongst the flood of lies you try to perpetuate.

    While death of innocents Palestinians, like any person, is horrible, the calling of what happens in Gaza holocaust is simply misplaced and shows only your ignorance and willingness to lie.
     
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  2. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    There is not one standard for a holocaust. That's just silly. The Jews don't have a patent on the term, or on injustice and genocide.

    The Iraqis have been ruled by a dictator, subjected to chemical weapons, then the US bombs them throughout the 90s, while pushing Food for Oil which kills 500,000 children, mostly by dehydration or starvation, followed up by a military occupation that sees ethnic cleansing and millions of internal and external refugees.

    Is this not also a sort of holocaust?

    Does it matter what it is called? Why does someone have to "lie" to get you to (albeit weakly) condemn innocent deaths?

    Frankly, it's pretty disgusting that you endorse this Israeli regime but have no problem condemning the Palestinians.

    Btw,
    Jews Are The Genetic Brothers Of Palestinians, Syrians, And Lebanese
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/05/000509003653.htm




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  3. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #4
    If they would just stop trying to kill them joos.....

    Someone needs to go teach them there are more things in life than killing Jews. If the Jews are so worthless anyways why worry about them, just move on.
     
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  4. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #5
    1. I never said there is only one standard for a holocaust. I just said what is happening in Palestine is not one.

    2. I don't think Jews are the only people who can suffer a holocaust.

    3. No, a simple war, or people dying is not a holocaust. The closest thing going on to one now would be in Darfur.

    4. Yes, it does matter what it is called. Calling what is happening now a holocaust, both cheapens the memory of the Nazi holocaust and misstates what is currently happening in Gaza.

    5. I neither endorse the current Israeli government, nor do I condemn Palestinians. I do condemn Hamas and those that voted for them. I do endorse Israel right to defend itself against daily missile attacks from Hamas.
     
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  5. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #6
    If you're going to post, why not respond to the thread topic?

    It's about the holocaust against the Palestinians. It has nothing to do with killing Jews.
     
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  6. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    The doublespeak is amazing. What is happening in Iraq is not a "simple war" or just "people dying". It is an intentional international conspiracy to kill Iraqis. By occupation, dehumanization, starvation and aerial bombardment.

    You don't endorse the right of Hamas to defend Palestinians, or condemn Israel for attacking refugee camps?

    It's obvious who you support, while wearing the veil of being non-partisan and humanitarian. Why the double standard?
     
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  7. Toopac

    Toopac Peon

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    #8

    Palestinians should really be ashamed of the destruction that they are causing themselves, they need to reach for peace & get rid of their terrorist government.
     
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    #9
    It was already obvious in another thread that browntwn is part of Israel 5th column in USA. ;)
     
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    webwork Banned

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    The experiment in famine began on January 18, 2008. Israel hermetically closed all of Gaza's borders, preventing even food, medicine and fuel from entering the Strip. Power cuts, which had been frequent for many months, were extended to 12 hours per day. Due to the electricity shortage, at least 40 percent of Gazans have not had access to running water (which is channeled through electric pumps) for several days and the sewage system has broken down. The raw sewage that has not spilled onto the streets is now being poured into the sea at a daily rate of 30 million liters. Hospitals have been forced to rely on emergency generators leading them to cut back, yet again, on the already limited services offered to the Palestinian population. The World Food Programme has reported critical shortages of food and declared that it is unable to provide 10,000 of the poorest Gazans with three out of the five foodstuffs they normally receive.

    After five days of extreme suffering, a group of Hamas militants took the lead, and blew-up parts of the steel wall along the Egyptian border. Within hours more than 100,000 Gazans crossed the border into Egypt. They were hungry, thirsty and sick of being locked up in a filthy cage. Once in Egypt they bought everything they could get their hands on and waited patiently for the international community to intervene on their behalf. Yet the world leaders failed them again, and on January 28, after a five day respite, the iron wall was re-erected and the Palestinians were pushed back into the world's largest prison -- the Gaza Strip.

    Ehud Barak, Israel's Minister of Defense, did not stammer when he justified his decision to experiment with famine; he had no qualms about introducing a policy that historically only the most brutal leaders have adopted.

    I do not support Israel.

    Thank you.
     
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  10. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    And imagine how ridiculous I would sound if I replaced but one word?
     
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    #12
    It has EVERYTHING to do with killing Jews.

    It is because the Jews are still alive that there are problems in the ME.

    It is because Jews won't just take their punishment by the hand of mohamud (pbuh) through his people that their is conflict. Those pigs and snakes need to die by any means even if it means other mohamud followers die as well. Shoot, that makes for good publicity when they die, just blame it on the Joos.

    Now tell me this has nothing to do with the Jews again. It will be funny to watch.
     
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    #13
    I know, but what I don't get, is if people are this morally f**ked up, why they can't take the next step and just say honestly, "Yes, I support this."

    See? It's not that hard for people to say.

    It's so much BS around here that if you say anything about the US or Israel, you're an islamist, but it's totally ok to condone genocide by starvation.

    Violence is wrong, regardless of who is doing it. And it is very hard to find a moral justification for violence IMO.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #14
    You might believe that, but I don't. I think that statement is incredibly ignorant.

    Mindless rhetoric. Again, you obviously have not been following the thread subject, because your comments are offtopic (not to mention, ignorant and discussion stifling).

    Israel != Jews. Israel is a militant nation state, driven by a Zionist agenda.

    Not all Jews are Israelis.
    Not all Jews are Zionists.
    And not all Jews advocate what is going on in Gaza.

    So no, it's not about Jews, despite your efforts to make it so by using base collectivism as the (sic) reasoning for your posts.

    It's so totally retarded that people make everything Israel does a Jewish issue, and hence any criticism of Israel, antisemitism. Yes, there are a lot of Jews in Israel, but Israel is not representative of all Jews. Trying to make such silly connections is juvenile and betrays a lack of intellectual honesty.
     
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    Toopac Peon

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    #15
    Isn't this similar to your new rhetoric anyhow?

    Terrorizing terrorists is terrorism, it's terrible too:p
     
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  15. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #16
    Are you suggesting that fighting terrorism with terrorism is the way to win?
     
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    #17
    Just becuase you don't like what I say. Do you realize that not all people are easily brainwashed and as ignorant as you are about the subject?

    Let the word 'duh' ring loudly on your statements. Now tell all those who want the jew dead the same thing.

    Israel has very few options left when dealing with these murderers. So gaza has idiots lobbing rockets into Israel, sending in suicidal bombers and doing everything destructive possible and you think Israel should just roll over and play dead until they are dead.

    Because you don't like the truth doesn't make it any less truth. I don't believe everything Israel has done has been right or the best, but I don't see them trying to exterminate any group of people like the people they constantly have to defend against.

    If I ever have to fight you, please take on the ideas you have for the Jews (umm I mean Israel) If I kill you children because they were there, don't attack back and if you kill some of my human shields I will use it against you in the court of public opinion.

    I will end with this - "I fart in your general direction"
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #18
    If terrorists are terrified - too bad. We want them terrified. Oh boo hoo, bin laden is too scared to come out and kill Americans.... foul! not fair... call the ACLU!
     
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    #19
    Poor little baby, it is always the innocent that suffer the most in war. That baby doesn't care about land, and doesn't even know about religion. The notion that palestinians are all helpless victims is kind of hard to swallow though, when you have an aggressive organization like Hamas applauding the bombing and killing of Jews. Hamas refuses peace but wants the total destruction of Israel. But I hope some day the adults on both sides may care enough about their children to stop the killing.
     
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  19. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #20
    Oh please, everyone with their wits together knows it is not the US or Israeli's objective to try to "intimidate" terrorists. I could intimidate terrorists far more easily than both of these countries. If you think that's what we should be doing, then go listen to Mike Savage, and after you listen to him for a few years, come back to me and tell me if he has changed what he complains about and if he offers any valid solutions.

    Maybe you want them terrified, but the government does not. Because if they did, they most certainly would be. If they can terrify you into thinking we need to substitute liberty for security, then you might be out of your mind if you think they can't terrify some street thugs.

    So go play the tough Michael Savage role and get back to me.
     
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