Bush to Veto Waterboarding Ban

Waterboarding is nothing new, they used it during the spanish inquisition. Many countries and different governments have used this technique in different times. The CIA is claiming they just did three, I don't know. We could debate that, but neither one of us can be 100% sure whether they are lying or not.

Unfortunately, we have an enemy that doesn't believe in the Geneva convention. Al-Qaeda killed 3000 Americans on 911, they have burned innocent people alive, are trying to take over Pakistan, they have taken hostages and beheaded them and follow NO rules at all. If they have a terrorist in custody that was involved in 911, I just cannot bring myself to care if he is treated nicely or not.

Yeah, I agree. It is conveniently ambiguous or more likely purposefully ambiguous.

 

The tough part about terrorists or whatever we call them is that they don't have a centralized government, no sovereign territory, and barely any specific leader.

They are tough to fight.

I like these images below



At some point we all need to find a way to brake the cycle.

 

Sorry but last time I checked I didn't see Al-Qeada as a signee on the Geneva Convention.

 

We will not win any war against Al-Qaeda without the help of Muslim countries. I think we need to appreciate our relations with Muslim countries such as Pakistan and Turkey. For the Muslim countries that tend to be more anti-American like Egypt, Syria, and Iran we can try to come to some kind of peace. Perhaps even concede on certain things as we can, but develop a cooperative relationship with these countries. IMHO, that is the key. Until we do this, we cannot win the war against Al-Qaeda. If we can achieve this, Al-Qaeda recruits will go way down. In addition, the Muslim countries will capture Al-Qaeda themselves in their own country and freeze their assets. Just my opinion.

 

It is very hard to win a "war" against a phantom organisation created to keep people like us in line.

The Power Of Nightmares:

Part ONE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2798679275960015727

Part TWO
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4602171665328041876

Part THREE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2081592330319789254

 

That’s it Gworld wants the US to be impotent, Maybe he has a thing for being Impotent?

 

That is funny coming from a guy hiding under his bed. What branch of militray were you serving in?
For those of us who actually served their country, we don't need to TALK tough like you in order to hide that you are just a scared chicken.

 

I don't agree with this, but I can understand it. The reason I don't agree, is that the justification is never used morally. An "eye for an eye" world is blind.

Taxi to the Dark Side. A lot of people being held and tortured are innocent. As I asked a couple members of the forum some time ago, how many innocent people should die or be tortured to protect an American? Basically, what the is the ratio of value between an American and someone else?

It's a tricky question to even attempt to answer.

Shame the 'rents weren't impotent, isn't it Toopac?

Welcome back.

 

Nice to see you having a hissy fit just because others don't want terrorists to have a fair shake Gworld, i guess it's a lonely world whilst rooting for the enemy

 

Hi Guerilla Not to say I don't believe you, but for my own education do you have any examples of this?

 

Hey R!

Start here,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

If you get a chance, check this out.
http://www.taxitothedarkside.com

There is a lot of information and material out there. CBC, BBC, Al Jazeera English. You aren't going to find FoxNEWS or CNN exposing any of this.

 

For some reason, my computer won't allow me to load the second link (it doesn't like it.). But I bookmarked the Wiki link and I will read it carefully later today, then check back on this thread later tonight. Thx.

 

The second link is about this,

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0854678/

Won an Oscar as best documentary.

Maybe your PC doesn't like it, because the movie site is all flash?

 

It must be a terrible burden to go through life as a coward and be scared of every shadow like you do.
We who are not afraid, don't need to lower ourself to the same level as terrorists to feel safe.

 

Great info. Thanks for the links. I like to read/see news and opinions from other countries to balance out the bias.

 

I wonder what you would do if i slapped you? would you really do nothing or phone the police?

Personally i'd happily slap the shit out of anyone who slapped me, whether this is lowering myself to their level or not.

How about you? just pretend the person is jewish or christian

 

Toopac, I think what gworld is saying, is that you talk really tough about killing, war and terror (see your last post re: slapping) but you don't walk the walk.

If you're really such a tough guy, why aren't you in the military?

 

You won't and if I slapped you then you will run home, hide under your bed and post in this forum talking about killing and torturing me.

 

So no substance again.

You're angry because the US government is torturing your beloved muslims warriors? Bush must be scared stiff, vetoing the waterboarding ban from under his bed, from your backward way of thinking

I have a hard time sympathizing with terrorists, i can tell it's easier for some, i don't give a damn what the US wants to do with them.

 

well Bush did everything possible not to serve in Vietnam while the real soldiers who were in the war, oppose the use of torture.