jewish school in jerusalem hit by terrorists????

i think that none of the arab leaders care for palestanians as a matter of fact not even for their own people .
i think it is to the benefit of israel to make peace with arabs and furthermore she should help them succeed in making a country. a successful democratic palestanian state is the best or maybe the only guarantee for peace between them.
i have said this before and let me say it again. trying to find the source of the hostility between them is like the chicken or egg question. they should stop this argument and understand that no matter how much they close their eyes and how hard they wish they are living next to each other and they have to do that for eternity. the only choice they have is if they want it to be peaceful or not.
i think the problem is how they look at things.
first is peace then cooperation then understanding and finally trust.you can not be looking for trust upfront and expect it to work

 

It is Hamas who keeps the PNA and Israel from moving the peace process along. Hamas need to stop holding Palestinians hostage.

Is is too bad groups like Hamas, who refuse to talk peace, were elected by the Palestinians.

 

so which one is it chicken or egg

 

What do you mean? Abbas and many Palestinians are willing to work on peace with Israel. On the other hand, Hamas is not, and refuses to recognize the previous peace deals already in place. Why do you just pretend that is not happening? That does not help the Palestinians who do want peace. Hamas is as much their problem as it is Israels.

This is not a chicken egg situation. This is a simple case of one party having no desire for peace and a stated unwillingness to negotiate. Do you really not know what positions Hamas takes?

 

you are trying to place the blame for the current situation. this is the chicken and egg question. even responsibility for existence of hamas lies with Israel as much as the palestanians.
we must stop this cycle. we must find a solution. put your efforts on that.ask them to make peace.
there is nothing unusual about this situation.look at northern Ireland. there was a lot of blood shed there also.

 

You are funny. You say not to blame and then you do exactly that by trying to blame Isreal for Hamas.

So, the reality is that Hamas was elected by the Palestinians. Hamas, the elected government, does not want peace. So, you say just to do what exactly?

 

they do not need a mediator. They should act like grown ups.
i can guarantee success if they would just broadcast their negotiations. once the world see the stupidity of their arguments they will be forced to stop the bull shit and get with the business of solving the out standing issues.
hey make it pay per view let fox do it.

 

you blamed hamas for bloodshed
i blamed hamas on israel
chicken and egg
that was my point i am glad you got it
they should accelerate the negotiations.politicians on both side must talk about the final solutions with their people.they should keep the world informed of their progress.
sometimes within the next few months they should invite hamas to the negotiations
israel must make sure that the palestanians get enough land that they can succeed in making a country and advice and help them to do it.
i must repeat that it is not unusual to negotiate with your enemies to make peace.and a democratic palestanian neighbor is the best way for peace.

 

then i nominate china.

 

Hamas has a position. It is clear, unequivocal. Why is that a game to you?

You blather on about the parties should want peace, and all that. BUT WHAT SHOULD THEY DO ABOUT HAMAS? Hamas is the elected government of the PNA and they are AGAINST peace.

You keep saying to make peace, but with who when HAMAS refuses. That is not some minor point, that is the PROBLEM. Israel, in spite of Hamas, is still trying to work with the peace seeking parties, such as Abbas. Why do you ignore the FACT of Hamas' positions? Intentional ignorance will not lead to peace.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7283361.stm

what is wrong with this as a start

 

A truce is clearly possible but with Hamas' positions, peace is not.

I don't know why you keep refusing to admit what Hamas really stand for. It helps nobody to deny the parties openly stated positions.

It is not one person, it is the stated belief of the organization. While a Hamas spokesperson may have said the quote, it says nothing about peace with Israel - and the reason is that they don't want it.

Do you really think Israel should open the border and allow Hamas to arm itself more? That is what a hudna is about, why else do you think Hamas is conceding anything less than their stated goals?

The sad thing is that one don't need to twist anything to make Hamas look bad - their own words are do that.

 

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i do not understand so are you saying that truce is no good and you rather continue the killing?and based on what?this is the official statement from them.it would stop the rockets they can leave each other alone till the negotiation progresses.and israel or un can inspect the material entering gaza for arms. problem solved
please don't go pointing finger again. pointless exercise as proven by passage of decades

 

Truce would be fine if it was leading to negotiated peace, but Hamas refuses to participate in the peace process. They would rather fight until there is no Israel. You keep ignoring that fundamental fact. It does no good to keep your head in the sand. I would be very curious to hear your ideas for real solutions on how to reach peace dealing with Hamas rather than simply ignoring the major obstacle to peace.

You say they can leave each other alone until the negotiation process, but what negotiation when Hamas refuses to participate in the process. So what are we waiting for? For Hamas to get stronger? To be better armed?

What the world is waiting for is civilized Palestinians to take back control of their government from Hamas.

 

Brwn, you dont even know if they were legitimately elected by the palestinians or not. We dont even know how the election process took place. Look at the elections in lebanon? No one wanted lahoud to be president because everyone knew he wa aa crook but everyone knew that syria fixed the elections there.