American Student goes to Palestine to help only to find out the truth

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You clearly know NOTHING about Islam. Pardon me for the slight anger in my tone, but it is because what you're saying is not even what Islam teaches at all. Arabs and Jews have been residing together for hundreds upon hundreds of years IN PEACE, which therefore proves to you that you can be of any faith and reside within the Islamic state. The Muslims have to promise to protect anyone who wishes to seek refuge in their state, the only condition is that the refugees also contribute to the upkeep of the military and other services.

Also that bollocks you talk about 4 witnesses is a load of crud. Anyone convicted of rape WILL be punished accordingly. It is most likely that the man will be guilty because in order to rape the women he must've been where he shouldn't have been, and therefore the case would be against him. If however, he isn't sentenced to whatever punishment, then the testimony of 2 female witnesses would do the job, so the women and any other women that saw it.

Rape is not a small issue, why? Because rape ruins a women's life, and it is not acceptable in Islam that you afflict one another like this. You literally destroy the women's chance of a normal life, and drive her to other things such as suicide. Those that have been raped usually suffer from mental problems later on. Therefore, it is totally unacceptable with the knowledge of this, to go and commit rape.

Oh, and this thing you have about Democracy, it was created in Ancient Greek times, so mate, it's way more backward than Shari'ah or a lot of other methods of governance. Shari'ah in itself is more modern in times than Democracy is.

It is not right, Will, that you speak without the presence of knowledge. I advise you to not defend but silly rumours and incorrect myths you hear about the religion of Islam. In order to learn about what Islam really teaches, you have to go to the correct sources (i.e. the Qur'an and the authentic books of Hadith), only then will you see what it really teaches.

Muslims only take the words of a known scholar who has good credentials, and not any old joe off the street. I suggest you do the same.

Good luck.

 

I would be willing to bet my life that Will knows more about Islam than you ever will.

There is a reason for that...

No presence of knowledge? WTF? You do realize that Will is married to a x-Muslim?

Dude, you just ventured into some pretty uncharted territory. Are you sure you really want tot got there? You're not talking to just any old Joe!

 

Most male Muslim members here are married to a Muslim woman too, does this make them theology expert on Islam?

Will's wife is also an Arab, does this make him an expert in Arabic, Arab culture or middle east politic?

I agree with you that he is not just any old joe, most old Joe have more knowledge and common sense.

 

I didn't know Will was a prominent scholar in Islam? From what he's saying it doesn't look like it.

What does being married to an x-muslim mean? Nothing.

Anyway, I'm contacting him now.

 

I am merely stating that Will is not speaking out of school as Vortex appears to think is the case.

What it means is, he has more knowledge (first hand knowledge) than you do. Also, having read the "Quran" myself, it is quite evident that most Muslims do not even know the truth about their own religion.

 

In this case I am the ultimate expert on all the religions because I have slept with different women with all kind of religions.

 

Jesus H. Christ, what Nazi websites have you been trolling to come across this nonsense and what stupidity caused you to believe it?

Quoting Wikipedia:

Both of these are doctored statements that have been widely disseminated as genuine on many anti-semitic websites; They are distortions derived from a statement that was attributed to Washington in Maxims of George Washington about currency speculators during the Revolutionary war, not about Jews: "This tribe of black gentry work more effectually against us, than the enemy's arms. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties, and the great cause we are engaged in. It is much to be lamented that each State, long ere this, has not hunted them down as pests to society, and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America." More information is available at Snopes. com: "To Bigotry, No Sanction"

 

Family members don't count.

Good find!

 

NEVER EVER PM ME AGAIN WITH YOUR ATTEMPTS TO CONVERT ME TO A PRIMITIVE RELIGION.

I understand that you are not used to truth, as Freedom of Speech is banned under Islamic Law.

Well, the Internet is Dar al Harb buddy, so get used to being offended!

Yes, all non-Muslims must pay Jizyah to be allowed to live as second class citizens under the authoritarian rule of totalitarian Islamic law.

To that I have only this to say: It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

Jesus H. Christ, have you ever seen the news?

Start here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2977446.stm

Here's another disgusting event, this one from Saudi Arabia: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/01/world/01saudi.html?hp

If you can't read, here's a video for you to watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItH8zHpaMgo

There were no (male muslim) witnesses, so how can you say that he was even there?

Do you see the logical error in that statement?

You have just not only committed, but actually recommended, the logical fallacy of Appeal to Authority.

This is very important. If Milton Friedman tells you that the sky is orange -- it is not true -- even though Milton Friedman said it. On the other hand, if gworld tells you that the sky is blue -- it is true -- even though gworld said it.

Truth and falsity are independent of peoples beliefs. You cannot judge a belief by those who hold it.

I cannot stress enough how your thinking process is wrong and how this will inevitably lead you to the wrong conclusions.

 

Canadians have different culture from your part of the world. I know you think is normal to sleep with family members but we don't think so.

 

Who were these currency speculators who bought the notes for cents on a dollar and the finally got paid in full through the state taxation?

 

JERUSALEM — Two gunmen went on a deadly shooting rampage, entering a Jerusalem rabbinical seminary through the dining room and opening fire after nightfall Thursday, killing at least 10 people, health services sources told FOX News.

Israeli media said about 35 people were wounded. Channel 2 TV said police special forces killed the two infiltrators.

Ambulances raced to the scene from around the city. Media reports said many people were wounded. Hundreds of police surrounded the area and searched the campus.

The gunmen entered the library, where about 80 people were gathered, witnesses said, and opened fire. "There are at least seven killed and 10 people wounded," said Eli Dein, director of Israel's rescue service.

Yitzhak Dadon, a student, said he was armed with a rifle and waited on the roof of a nearby building. "He came out of the library spraying automatic fire ... the terrorist came to the entrance and I shot him twice in the head," he said.

In Gaza, the militant Hamas stopped just short of claiming responsibility. "We bless the (Jerusalem) operation. It will not be the last," Hamas said in a statement.

 

MSNBC News Services
updated 1 hour, 9 minutes ago

JERUSALEM - A Palestinian gunman entered the library of a rabbinical seminary and opened fire on a crowded nighttime study session Thursday, killing eight people and wounding dozens of others before he was killed, police and rescue workers said. It was the first militant attack in Jerusalem in more than four years.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility, but Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip praised the operation, and thousands of Palestinians took to the streets of Gaza to celebrate.

 

Business as usual for the religion of peace...

 

good for them
lets not let these murderess win

 

Support for the Hamas (Palestinian) Nazi movement. Bissama Allah, oria alard Hitler - in heaven Allah, on earth Hitler.

 

What you've said here is again further proof you have no solid knowledge of the religion.

1) I don't see any attempt to try and convert you to anything, I'm merely trying to clear up all these false statements that you have, which aren't even true.

2) Since when was Freedom of Speech allowed in western countries? It's a total lie. No ones allowed to say what they want, because as soon as someone doesn't believe in Democracy and voices his opinion, he's cut down.

3) Paying Jizyah is required. Why? Because the Muslim population are already contributing towards the upkeep of the country, so why should any other inhabitants not do the same? It's silly. And on top of that, Jizyah is way less than the tax you get in western countries anyway.

4) Now, let's talk about the biasness of some of the news links you bought up. No where in that does it mention the conditions of what has happened, therefore no one reading that article (the first article you linked to) has proper grounds to make a decision on who is guilty/innocent. If proper Sharia was implemented in such a place, the man would have been set to account, and if it was not rape, then so would the women. Therefore, the punishment would lie on both of them.

5) When a women goes out she is usually with someone who can protect her, so that person would be the witness.

6) Again, you've misunderstood why I've said that you should only take the word of a scholar. What I mean by that, is if you have someone accusing, and he gives proof, then you look at his arguement, and see if there is some extra information that pertains to that arguement, or something that was given out of context by referring to that source, and then analysing the quote's context. If this is not done, you simply blurt out statements that aren't actually true.

I'm not saying you judge by what the scholar is saying, but you ask the scholar if there is any context that needs to be known or whether the source is authentic etc. You ask him only pertaining to the technical and factual aspects of the source being used in the arguement, not his own view.

 

Romas were nazis too!

It's incredible how far you are ready to twist everything to fuel your bigotry.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm

 

God is the God of the Jews and Christians. God through the Bible tells us who the Jews are to Him and never does he tell a Christian that the Jews are the enemy, quite the opposite. Now on the other hand there is a book that is written were it mentions the Jews in a negative many times, bet you couldn't guess what idiotic book I am referring to?

Someone who reads this other book and then tries to use it to filter the Bible could come up with some stupid ideas. Hmmm, wonder where hissy-fit-hitler got some of these ideas from?

Religions are just idiotic. Trying to create a god in the image of man is ludicrous. Making men an item of worship is stupid. And then worshipping the science of men that changes constantly can be just as crazy.