American Student goes to Palestine to help only to find out the truth

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  1. usasportstraining

    usasportstraining Notable Member

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    #1001
    The Israelis have bulldozed houses with families in them and shot protesters. In their "defense" of Israel, they have cut off supplies to Gaza, to apparently root out the insurgents.

    Hamas continues to launch unguided, cheap missiles into Israel to terrorize Israeli citizens. They also convince young people to blow themselves and many innocent people up for the sake of martyrdom.

    The point I'm trying to make is that both are guilty of atrocities. Unfortunately, it is within living memory what the Nazis did to the Jewish people. Why are so many Israelis seemingly forgetting what it's like to have their own people starved or buried alive.

    I'm sure it's not as simple as that and our feelings would be different if we could live as a Palestinian and an Israeli for a long period of time.

    It's so often a select few people that determine the fate of so many others. A select few stir up the emotions of others, commit the worst crimes, and ultimately pray upon the innocent who just want a safe place for their families.

    Good points. If you are actually in Croatia, I'm sure you know very well what it's like to have centuries' old racial and cultural hatred between groups of people. You probably know many people who have died because of it.

    It's sad that we, as a people, can't forget our ancestors' hatred and put things to rest. Why can't we learn to cooperate and help one another.

    Will.Spenser

    "Your ignorance equating the Israeli defense of its people to Hamas's attacks is part of the problem. Israeli is not TRYING to kill kids - Hamas IS TRYING to kill kids. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD!"

    Wake up and read what I said.
     
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  2. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #1002
    The total land area of Israel is around 7,000 sq miles. The Navajo Indian reservation in the US is 26,000 square miles. The muslims wouldn't give the Navajos an inch.

    There are about 300 Indian reservations in the United States. The collective geographical area of all reservations is 55.7 million acres (225,410 km²),

    There are twelve Indian reservations that are larger than the state of Rhode Island (776,960 acres; 3,144 km²) and nine reservations larger than Delaware (1,316,480 acres; 5,327 km²).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservations
     
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    Elegant Banners Peon

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    #1003
    Isreal is the homeland of the Jews, but if the Arabs resided in it in majority, why can the Jews just not co-exist with them? It'd just like all the other multi-cultural nations you have out there.

    Jews and Arabs about 100 years ago used to live in full peace and harmony; it's only when Zionists wanted their own state now instead of waiting for God to give it to them that this all happened.

    You have to remember that the Jews are an exiled people as mentioned in the Torah, and therefore you cannot claim a land for yourselves until God gives it to you. This means that when you get your land, you won't have to pump billions of dollars into your military, because God will rightfully make the land yours and make that clear to everyone.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #1004
    I am not sure what type of title documents you expect God to provide, but I think possession and a military to hold it might be a sign which way he leans on the issue of who should have the land now.

    Maybe God is just taunting Muslims and teasing the Jews by letting them have Israel for a little while?
     
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    #1005
    hahahahahahahahahaha you are joke! :D
    So I came into your house, take all of it and let you keep bed room and that makes me nice person? LMAO!
    It's incredible what kind of logic you are willing to use to defend your twisted view of world! Indians are allowed to live in reservations in their own land! Imagine that! :rolleyes:
    In my country and in the rest of civilized world we keep animals in reservations, just for the recod.
    Again you avoided to answer my direct question: when you will return land you occupy right now to their rightful owners? I wonder why you constantly avoiding to give direct answers on simple questions... :rolleyes:

    I am from Croatia and my parents are from Bosnia so I know what it's like to live in hate that last for centuries. It's not too much different in ME because I hear same rhetoric here and there and everyone is "right" and just "defending" them selfs.
     
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  6. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #1006
    Islam does not allow this.

    Islam demands that, once it conquers a country and turns it from Dar al Harb to Dar al Islam, all residents of that county submit to Islamic Law.

    They don't have to convert, they just have to submit. "Islam", after all, does mean "Submission."

    This would totally and completely destroy the freedom from which Israeli citizens of all religions currently benefit.

    I'd hate to see all the pretty Jewish girls stoned to death for not conforming to bizarre Islamic phobias against consensual sex.

    I'd hate to see all the pretty Jewish girls be raped because it's almost impossible to convict a man for rape under Islamic Law. (Remember the requirement for 4 male witnesses. If you rape a women in front of her three daughter, there are no legal witnesses and you cannot be convicted under Islamic Law.)

    In short, I'd hate to see the modern democracy which is Israel become as backwards as most of it's neighbors!
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #1007
    Didn't Muslims defend Jews against the Christians who wanted to kill the Jews for most of the known human history? :rolleyes:

    Who burned the Jews alive? Was it crusaders or Muslims? Who killed and exiled the Jews in Europe, Muslims or Christians? :rolleyes:
     
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  8. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #1008
    A picture is worth a 1000 words:

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    Answer the question?
     
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    #1009
    Amin Al Husseini meets Heinrich Himmler, Head of Nazi SS.

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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    And...

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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #1011
    So far it is 2 Christians (Hitler, Himmler) and 1 Muslim (Al Husseini). :rolleyes:
    Do you have any picture of Goring or Gobels meeting him to make 3-4 to 1? ;)
    What nation did plan and partly executed the final solution for the Jews? What religion Germans have? :rolleyes:
     
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    #1012
    Amin al Husseini at Arab League meeting at its creation- 1944

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    Amin Al Husseini with Egyptian President Nasser.

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    In what countries extermination camps were located? What religions do they have?

    Germany----> Christians
    Poland----> Christians
    France----> Christians
    Hungary----> Christians :rolleyes:

    What nation did plan and partly executed the final solution for the Jews? What religion Germans have?
     
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    #1014
    Those countries were invaded, and the germans built their extermination camps there. It had nothing to do with the invaded countries, but with Hitler's dream of an Europe free of jews.

    Although, Ukranians also supported the extermination of jews (don't know if they were catholics)...
     
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    Yes, but in all those countries they had local supporters. Also Hitler was Christian and Germans are Christians. Even Pope and a lot of priests supported the extermination of Jews.
     
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    Let me know who your favorite Nazi is and I'll see if I can find a picture of Muslim (Al Husseini) with them. :rolleyes:
     
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    #1017
    Nazi is just a political affiliation, religion wise they are still Christians. Let's not forget all the American anti-semites such as Henry Ford, Charles Lindberg, Bobby Fischer, Jerry Falwell, Richard Nixon,.....

    And here is from Jesus himself and Martin Luther the father of protestant sect of Christianity. :rolleyes:

    JESUS CHRIST, speaking to the Jews in the Gospel of St. John, VIII:44

    "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lust of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is not truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. - then answered the Jews - "

    (which makes it clear that Christ was addressing the Jews.)

    MARTIN LUTHER, Table Talk of Martin Luther, translated by William Hazlet, page 43

    "But the Jews are so hardened that they listen to nothing; though overcome by testimonies they yield not an inch. It is a pernicious race, oppressing all men by their usury and rapine. If they give a prince or magistrate a thousand florins, they extort twenty thousand from the subjects in payment. We must ever keep on guard against them."

    and here is from the father of your country:

    WASHINGTON, GEORGE, in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co.

    "They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."
     
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    #1018
    A lot of the top Nazis converted to Islam and Himmler admired the islamists. Hitler based Nazism and Mein Kampf (My Jihad) on what he learned from the Quran.
     
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    #1019
    The local peruvian Nazi Movement (MSNDP) also admire the islamists, just realized that....
     
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    Where do you get this BS? :rolleyes:

    Was Jesus, Martin Luther or George Washington also Islamist and learned from Quran? How about Richard Nixon or Bush grand father? :rolleyes:

    WASHINGTON, GEORGE, in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co.

    "They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."
     
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