Israel offensive on Gaza that has killed more than 100 Palestinians

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  1. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #81
    1 million Arabs can live in peace in Israel but not one Jew can live in Gaza.
     
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  2. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #82
    sometimes bad politicians make bad judgment especially when they are so low in the polls.
    also trying to find who is at fault is like the chicken or egg question
    instead they should try to find a way that they can agree on.
     
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  3. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #83
    as you can see earl has a much more logical position than you.
    my objection is saying that they hide behind their children. this is wrong and an attempt to categorize them as subhuman and inply that they have less value
     
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  4. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #84
    Hamas are cowardly and use children as human shields. I have an objection with that. :mad:

    I also object to using suicide bombers to kill civilians. :mad:
     
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  5. Codythebest

    Codythebest Notable Member

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    #85
    A couple of nukes here and there, and the world will be one step better...
     
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  6. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #86
    You can dance around the issue.

    I am more than implying it, I am outright saying it. Hamas uses civilians as human shields. They willingly sacrifice their children for a pr victory over Israel. Hamas is willing to attack Israel from civilian areas knowing that they are inviting an attack on civilians. In fact, I think Hamas feels they benefit politically from the retaliation attacks which impact on civilians.

    You object to the label placed on Hamas by their own actions - I object to their actions.

    It is clear Hamas and most Palestinian 'fighters' hide behind children. Israel did not attack a school, they attacked the location and source of missile attacks on Israel. That is the area Hamas chose to attack from, an area Hamas knew was occupied by children.

    Where is your condemnation of Hamas?
     
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  7. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #87
    yes i object to all form of racism
    and this is not about their cowardliness or fearlessness
    the instinct to protect ones young is a god given .
    to say a race of people are below that is about bigotry and nothing more
     
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  8. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #88
    Cut off shipments of wheat and electricity and only resume when the rocket attacks cease.
     
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  9. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #89
    Are we allowed to say it if it is true?

    Or because some might be offended, should be pretend that Hamas does not put children in harms way with their actions?

    Also, since when is Hamas a race of people?

    "the instinct to protect ones young is a god given ."
    One would think so, but apparently not with many Palestinians who place a Hamas victory or a suicide attack on Israel over their own children's lives. You see it with the parents of suicide bombers. Where is their instinct to protect?
     
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  10. Codythebest

    Codythebest Notable Member

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    #90
    Pfff...you resume and...they'll resume the attacks...
    I maintain: a couple of nukes...
     
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  11. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #91
    where is the beef? show some proof
     
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  12. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #92
    We will send an EU peace keeping force. Sun-tzu said keep your 'friends' close.
     
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    #93
    How long? even 100 years won't suffice..
     
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  14. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #94
    sometimes it is just the matter of what side the coin you are looking at.
    could it be that it is very hard to live in gaza.you are in a state of war but easy in israell, comparetivly
    why not make life easy for them in gaza also and see
    by the way how was the demonstration by UN
     
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  15. iggysick

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    #95
    Like some ex-europeans that now call themself americans still occupying native americans land,right? :rolleyes:
    Oh wait! We can't say that! We allways need to use double standards when talking about who owned which land first, right? :)

    BS! Fatah stopped using violence altough they were worst than Hamas.

    Only kids like you can believe in that kind of BS propaganda.

    Unfortunately we know.

    And you still wonder why there's people on planet earth that wants to blow you up? LMAO
    Yeah, they hate you because of your freedom! :D

    Can we see some proof of what you are claiming or do you just post what you get from media?
     
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  16. earlpearl

    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #96
    While I might have been more diplomatic than Browntown I agree with him.

    Hamas has all the power and weaponry in Gaza. They drove out Fatah in violence and the rest of the 1.5 million people are left defenceless.

    Hamas takes its small mobile missiles and fires them at Israel from populated areas where the defenceless Palestinians have their children, their homes, etc.

    Hamas invites destruction of the population. It maintains the power. It smuggles in weaponry and money from Iran and other supporters to maintain its position.

    Frankly, Israel pulled its people out of Gaza, pulled its police and military out of Gaza, didn't want an election for fear of Hamas taking control, accepted elections that Bush wanted and now must deal with the consequences.

    Israel has the right to defend itself. The Palestinians were given full control of Gaza and they have turned it ever more radical. Hamas drove out the mitigating force in Fatah that might have prevented them from their violence against Israel and the resultant population that lives in Gaza.

    you can speak all you want about peace, but Gaza has converted from an area with Israeli settlements and police to an area with two competing political parties, both armed and wary of one another to a land that is dominated by a radical group that continues to fire at Israel without any constraints.

    Israel should do everything in its power to defend its people and defend its country.
     
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  17. iggysick

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    #97
    Answer me just one simple question: do you believe that Israel are willing to return all occupied land?
     
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  18. bogart

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    #98
    Why send wheat and electricity to terrorists.

    I'd rather be blown up by terrorists than submit to them. Submission is against my religion.
     
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  19. iggysick

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    #99
    So 1,5 milion of people in Gaza are terrorists? Well, thats a LOT!
    I wonder why didn't UK stopped sending wheat and electricity to Nothern Ireland...
    btw I seriously doubt that you have any religion at all.
     
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  20. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #100
    That is a loaded question and depends on what one means when they say occupied land. Israel was clearly willing to trade land for peace.

    Israel will never give itself up in its entirety or allow the Palestinians to take over what is now Israel. If that is what you seek, then it will never happen.
     
    browntwn, Mar 3, 2008 IP