United States Heading towards a Depression?

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  1. smatts9

    smatts9 Active Member

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    #681
    Silver has been going strong and if you want in on the action try SLV.
     
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    The FED is adding $60 Billion a month through bi-monthy auctions of 30 Billion. No wonder the dollar is tanking and commodity prices are going through the roof. It's starting to look the the 1970s all over again.

    The Fed said it will make $30 billion available to cash-strapped banks at each of two auctions, on March 10 and 24.

    The central bank has held six auctions so far, two each in December, January and February, providing $160 billion in extra reserves through short-term loans to cash-strapped banks.

    In its announcement Friday, the central bank said that it intended to keep holding the auctions every two weeks "for as long as necessary to address elevated pressures" in the credit markets.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080229/ap_on_bi_ge/fed_credit_crisis;_ylt=AiF2J6vq0eRp2O5D6y3jevOyBhIF
     
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    Today's economical figures are a nightmare, even oil prices pull back in anticipation of weak demands, DJ fall more than 300 points. Everything seemed quite dark at this point of time.

    I guess the worse is that consumer spending stalls, this basically means 70% of the GDP is not growing at all, coupled with the drop in housing, I don't see how a recession can be avoided.
     
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    The DJ is only a reaction and not really a good metric of the difficulty facing economy.

    Consumer spending is bound to increase but most of the gains are due to inflation.

    This is an election year and the Fed is a political animal. The most likely time for a recession is after a lame duck president leaves office.
     
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    Well I agree that DJ is more of a reaction but through it you can see the general sentiments which is pretty bad. Fed tried to revive the DJ through various means but I guess it failed and now no matter what is the rate cuts the confidence is lost.


     
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    The DJ is also taking a hit due to the decline in the 'carry trade' The yen went to 103 per dollar today. Japanese investors are moving currency into Europe, Australia and New Zeland where the rate of return is higher.
     
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    #689
    Are the prices of food going up because of the price of oil?

    I'm not as economically superior as you all.. Does that mean the "perfect storm" is nearing?

    Guess that also means Hawaii is screwed. :p
     
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    Basically when oil goes up, everything goes up, inflation is closely tied with oil prices. Can't say the perfect storm, just that there is a storm, but it is just a storm unless those guys at the top do something crazier, for every economic cycle a boom and a bust is part and parcel, we may be at a bust stage, but if you try to force the cycle to change (which I doubt it can be done), it may well be more than a bust and geared towards a depression.

     
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    There's a world wide wheat shortage caused by supply shortages and increased demand.

    http://cid-yama.livejournal.com/113065.html
     
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    Most of the commodities demand exceed supply and this leads to a decreasing amount in the inventory. It does not take a few bad harvests to create real issues. Secondly USD is going down, the twin effect means inflationary pressures is high.

    Strange issue is Fed is decreasing interest rates.........being an election year I guess everything seemed strange.

     
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    I believe the current economic crisis is more like the inflationary period of the 1970's and early 1980s.

    Subprime is the new Third World Debt crisis of the 1970's and 1980's

    Just like the 70's commodities prices are going sky high. Even like the 1970's the US cent is becoming worth more than melt value. I'm thinking about hording pennies as opossed to gold.

    $100 1982-2008 Lincoln Zinc Cent - Melt Value $71.11
    $100 1909-1982 Lincoln Copper Cent - Melt value $255.45

    Coin Metal Value Calculator (useful tool to calcualte the melt value of your change)
    http://www.coinflation.com/coins/basemetal_coin_calculator.html
     
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    LOL, coinflation! I spent 2 hours the other night sorting change for silver content.

    If anyone knows where I can get info on melting, green rep will be the reward!
     
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    $100 1946-2008 Jefferson Nickel - Total melt value is $140.85.

    http://www.coinflation.com/coins/basemetal_coin_calculator.html

    Hoarding nickels actually looks interesting. The melt value is 40% more than the face value.

    Statistics:

    » There are 16.5347 pounds of copper and 5.5116 pounds of nickel in $100 face value of nickel(s).

    » A roll of nickel(s) has 40 coins and is valued at $2.82 when copper is at $3.8574 / lb and nickel at $13.9827 / lb (exact value is $2.8169455295919).
     
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    I think the US Mint was slightly ahead of you :) . They banned that.

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-12-14-melting-ban-usat_x.htm

     
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    I'm laughing on this one. Travelers may legally carry up to $5 in 1- and 5-cent coins out of the USA

    the value of the metal in a nickel is now 6.99 cents, while the penny's metal is worth 1.12 cents, according to the U.S. Mint.

    Under the new rules, it is illegal to melt pennies and nickels. It is also illegal to export the coins for melting. Travelers may legally carry up to $5 in 1- and 5-cent coins out of the USA or ship $100 of the coins abroad "for legitimate coinage and numismatic purposes."

    Violators could spend up to five years in prison and pay as much as $10,000 in fines. Plus, the government will confiscate any coins or metal used in melting schemes.

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-12-14-melting-ban-usat_x.htm
     
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    #699
    I think getting some silver bars will be easier and also more convenient and you can get it whenever you have some spare cash, it is not like gold which would be exorbitantly expensive when you purchased by bars.

     
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    I know that. ;)

    I was just curious about melting, I would *never* melt down $30 in change.

    Besides, if there is martial law, all bets are off. :)
     
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