Are Atheists Really Just Christians With Weak Faith?

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  1. iul

    iul Well-Known Member

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    #21
    are you deep down still a santa and tooth fairy believer because you believed it when you were a kid?
     
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  2. N_F_S

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    #22
    Im sure that certainly not 100% do things what "God says to them", everyone else are sheeple, that follow the crowd and havent even read the bible.
     
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  3. SolutionX

    SolutionX Peon

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    #23
    Believe me, I understand this, but since everything in fact does begin and end with Jesus, I feel no need to admit that I understand what you're saying. ;)

    I hope that will be close enough to a PC offering.

    BTW, I don't really believe in this theory that I was pondering, unless somebody can prove through the Bible alone that it doesn't contradict it. I had a lot of caffeine yesterday, and it was fun to explore the possibility. :D

    All good counter-questions by people, but they would still be made pointless in my theory by the fact that Christianity is, in reality, the truth.
     
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    #24
    To my jewish friends out there, why is that you could copy quoted text with the word "god" but can not type it?


    Isn't the whole writing "G-D" thing because you are putting god on paper and that will eventually be thrown away? How does that apply to digital print? If you think about it, words on a computer are just the display of a code. so even if you type the "o" it will be stored as some code not being the actual letter o, as when you write with a pencil. And when you write g-d the "-" is still recognized as and "o". So the same intent is there. Anyway that whole quoted text thing got me confused.

    Agnostics are catholics who lost faith. Ok, thats a huge generalization. Many Christians who take science seriously become agnostics. Not because they have little faith, they just believe more in realism than blind faith. Atheists are just a bit hard headed, saying there is absolutely no god or gods. You have to have a lot of faith in yourself to be so stubborn. At least acknowledge that there is a slim chance that a god could exist. Just because you can't prove the existence of something, does not prove that it does not exist.
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    #25
    Atheists don't say there are "absolutely no god or gods". They say they don't believe in any god or gods.

    This kind of thinking opens the doors to all sorts of nonsense. by the same logic you have to admit that there is a slim chance that pixies live in your shoes, That when you go to sleep your furniture plays chess, That dogs can speak Chinese, that Walls do in fact have ears, that mermaids exist, that Elvis really is alive. Where does it stop? With that logic we are obliged to admit that any ludicrous claim is at least possible.

    Or is it only someones god who is entitled to the special treatment and concession of admitting that there is a slim chance it could exist while all other ludicrous claims are liable to be dismissed freely?
     
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    #26
    stOx, don't bother with the discussion. It's pretty clear that for these evangelists its "I think therefore Jesus must exist and is the truth." Look at the definition of an agnostic - a _Christian_ who lost faith, not a person who once believed in G-d of whatever variety. Note that atheists are just "hard headed." It's worthless arguing with the missionaries since you'll end up being sucked into the discussion that always is answered with "because Jesus is the truth." Why? Because.

    With regard to typing G-d on a computer, ask a Rabbi. For most people who type it that way (even Christians) it's more a matter o0f habit and what you were taught than anything else.

    PS - I do have pixies in my shoes and I dare you to prove otherwise.
     
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    #27
    Are you kidding?That is a pretty funny thing to say if you are being serious. A Christian can be a scientist and truely love God and not have any issues with real science. If he tries to bix 'faiths' then he would have a problem.
     
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  8. SolutionX

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    #28
    I've solved the answer to my theory. Actually it was shown to me through a visit to the invisible/anonymous rep bashing relm, but it all makes perfect sense now:

    "The truth, the reality, is that you are an obnoxious ass. Whole insults God by your abusrd claims on his behalf."

    And all along I thought it was more of a theological curiosity then a claim. I'm sorry mr. invisible rep genie. As for insulting God though, I'm pretty sure that He appriciates it when someone is trying to understand the Bible more clearly, so I can't apologize for that.

    And too bad, you're gonna have to do better then that to hurt my feelings. ;) I do feel like i've stepped up a notch from "dumb c**t" though. :D
     
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    #29
    Athiesm, in my opinion, takes just as much faith as christianity does. With so many people being associated with a religion of some sort, it is hard to say that there is no superior being at all and saying it with confidence.
     
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  10. SolutionX

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    #30
    Agreed, except I would say that an Atheist's faith is truly blind since they don't even see it.

    Also, I've realized something. Atheists are basically claiming the exact opposite of what I posted. Meaning, their theory would mean that Religious people are really just Atheists with weak logic skills because "God isn't real".

    I know it sounds like i'm attacking Atheists, but honestly it just fascinates me. Believe it or not.
     
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  11. iul

    iul Well-Known Member

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    #31
    atheism is LACK OF BELIEF in a supranatural being because of the lack of evidence of such a being. What exactly is "blind faith" in not believing in something that there's no evidence to proove its existence?
     
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    #32
    You are wasting your breath iul... We are at the stage now when the religious are saying "well i may be an illogical imbecile, But you are as bad as me!".

    It's the death throws of their theological argument. They have given up on attempting to prove their point and are simply trying to drag us down to their level by pretending that the disbelief in something absurd is equal to a belief in something absurd.
     
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    #33
    Trust me, I don't represent most Christians, the same way that most Atheists probably hope you don't represent them. I actually attempted to debate with you and even admitted that my faith isn't based on science, but all you can do is keep on showing your blind hatred of anyone Religious and twisting my words. I think you may be the first person I've ever considered putting on ignore.
     
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    iul Well-Known Member

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    #34
    but isn't what he said basicly true? Why are you avoiding answering to the issues I or Stox raised?
     
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    SolutionX Peon

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    #35
    I don't even know what I'm avoiding this time lol. My memory isn't very good though, and I'm getting bored anyway.
     
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    #36
    hehehehe...you wouldn't be the first :D

    I have him and his crony "iul" on ignore. I could not stand the arrogance anymore :)
     
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    #37
    Actually, I didn't think they were being that arrogant. I was trying to follow the conversation and every time someone said that atheism is the lack of belief of that which cannot be proven the "twist" was that they don't know their "belief" because they are "blind" and cannot see. Thus the implication is that Christ is a fact and everyone else who can't see him the way Christians can are blind and imperfect.

    I'm not saying anyone is being deliberately condescending here but I can tell you from experience and as evidenced on this very board that there are a number of Christians who believe (and probably taught in school) that they are perfected people or the succession of "imperfect" Jews. Thus it is difficult for them to accept that anyone could see anything different - atheists or non-believers are just blind of the "facts" which they see. Even reasonable Christians would agree on the concept of faith, no matter how devout and honest they feel about their certainty of Christ's existence as the Messiah. Every good faith believer of their religion or credo believes that they see the truth. Good human practice is respecting the fact that seeing things differently doesn't make anyone less than you -- or "blind to the facts." And in this instance, the little drummer boy is banging the same tune but is not quite hearing what the other members of the band are trying to say.
     
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    #38
    Is God's power limited to working faith in only heathly, intelligent people?

    Who are you to tell God who he can and cannot work faith in?

    You can't judge a person's ability to come to faith by their physical or mental abilities. Unless they're dead and already judged God's word can get through to them.

    There was recently a story about a woman in a coma. They were about ready to pull the plug. Out of frustration the husband did to her what she hated more than anything in the world; he gave her an earful. She's awake now.

    So can someone in a coma who can't respond to anything hear her husband's angry rant about her but not God's word?
     
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    #39
    It's not actually much to do with this particular thread at all.
     
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    #40
    Many Atheists are descendant of Christians, thus, involuntary, they sometimes practice some Christians way of life (e.g.: Easter, Christmas, etc.. [even thou some might argue they aren't Christian holidays to start out with].

    Educated atheist will always respect you and your believe in God. However, there are immature atheists who will try to bash religion no matter what the reason is.

    If you look at it logically, Atheism itself is a belief like Christianity is.

    Peace,
     
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