Nader announces run for president

Nader announces run for president

Why???!!!!

Is he trying to take votes away from one of the other candidates? Does he honestly think he'll win?

I highly doubt people will listen to him or that his sudden jump into the race will have some impact on any of his issues.

 

I see him actually doing worse than 0.3% if Obama is the nominee. If it's Clinton... he may get 1% but that's about it... I just don't think it's the right time for this.

Regardless, I think Obama will beat McCain in a landslide so it probably won't be an issue.

 

That's cute.
The political analysts will be scratching their heads, drawing up the new radically altered political scenario after this landmark announcement.

 

lol i hate politics... it seems greedy to me lol

 

You are not alone.

 

There are a lot of people who run for president who have no chance, cough Dr. Ron Paul

 

This is his 4th time; maybe it's just a habit?

 

funny thing is we get all the bad choices for president...

 

It's a nightmare. A bloody nightmare. I'm almost willing to not vote in the National Election now so that I can bitch at everyone when the country goes to further shit "I didn't vote for that douche, it isn't my fault. I wanted Paul". Whatever. I'm going to try to vote a write in if I can, or at least libertarian. It's better that I vote my conscience than to vote for the lesser evil - and f**k anyone who thinks otherwise.

 

Well, it's certainly hard to reach any new ground if your 3rd time netted 0.3%.

Absolutely. There is no value in trying to pick a winner. That is a waste of a vote. Whatever one's views, they should vote their conscience or the entire process is meaningless.

 

Isn't this what you guys complained about, wanting more choices in elections?

 

We want good choices! Not Naders and McCains The problem is that any of them with a bit of charisma know how much corruption could be worth to them. The ones who lack presence and popular appeal can barely hold on to their jobs with integrity, let alone push for a promotion to president...

 

I suspect Nader is trying to make some point and doing so by getting some airtime from declaring himself a candidate so late in the game (relative to others). What his point is, I don't know...

As to our choices, it was pointed out somewhere, that with all the media attention and sound bites, the candidate must always be "on", make few mistakes with facial expressions or try not to say anything particularly stupid (at least until you are elected *Bush*), and try to capitalize on previous fame. This leaves us with few choices in the type of candidates.

Usually hugely ambitious, relatively intelligent, thick skinned, wealthy and/or famous, and connected. Many of these traits could be counter to what we actually want in a president.

 

LOL XD

 

There aren't more choices.

You have to get 15% in the fixed polls to get into the debates. If we had 200 candidates running, I can guarantee you that 197 of them would not get into the debates.

Without the debates and the mainstream media coverage, a 3rd party candidate has no shot. At best, they can hope for 5% so they can secure Federal Matching funds for their party next cycle.

Then of course, there are the ballot access issues, making it almost impossible for any 3rd party to get on the ballot of all 50 states.

Don't kid yourself. While people are dying to spread democracy overseas, we have very little of it at home.

 

That's a real democratic process. Lets gid rid if the elections and decide the election on the polls.

 

Are you guys planning even more fraud than the last 2 elections? Are the busses going to be running full swing in Florida making sure that a group of people get to vote at least 20 times before they get tired and have to be taken back to the rest home?

Is someone in charge of sending in the forged absentee votes?

How will you assure this election?

Best thing to do is hack the electronic votes, there are a number of guys who have already done this and probably are ready for some help to implement the hacks in more areas.

If you do this right you can make it look almost like a saddam or fidel type of election.

 

Debunked, what are you talking about? Please note zibblu's operative word - "I think." An opinion. One I share. I think that whether it's Clinton or Obama, the G.O.P. is going to be handed its head on a plate.

Aside from the positive pull to the democratic platform, the country is just plain sick of the G.O.P.; rightly or wrongly (as a reason to vote), blaming this President, this is the negative "push" away from the party that has had the reins over the last decade. There will be those voting for something, and those voting against something. The Democratic candidate benefits from both. I don't "think" it will necessarily be a landslide, but I "think" the country is going Democratic for the next foreseeable time. This is reality, and posing some kind of schema as you have seems just a bit petulant, to me.

 

I won't be voting for Ralph Nader, and I think he'll have far less support than in the past. The problem is, we do get some really terrible choices in our top tier presidential candidates, but voting for the lesser of two evils still makes us better off than voting for the best candidate who has no chance of winning. It's sort of like a prisoner's dilemna (Google it if you aren't familiar). We know that the polls are going to be accurate AT LEAST to within 15% in any given state. If Ralph Nader is polling at under 1%, a vote for him is throwing your vote away except in some rare instances where the Green Party needs a certain number of votes in a state to continue being listed on future ballots, in which case a vote for Nader is helpful if you want to support the Green Party.

I would hope the lesson learned from the 2000 Florida disaster is that when there is a very close race between two candidates, a vote for a third candidate with no chance of winning is really the same as a non-vote, which is basically a way of showing passive support for whoever gets the most votes. I doubt most of those Ralph Nader voters in Florida really wanted to show passive support for George W. Bush. I know the Green Party had been promoting the Bush=Gore thing that entire campaign, but people should step back and ask if they really believe that. Gore isn't perfect, not by a long shot, but do we really believe that we would be in the same situation if Gore had been president for the past 7 years?

 

Personally, regarding Nader, I expect an almost nothing showing this time - and that is even compared to his previous outings. 2000 was a painful memory to many, and many hold Nader responsible for peeling away votes from Gore. My gut guess is that he will be soundly dismissed as an attention seeking, bitter man - not the "man of the people" imprint of his heyday.