Gods that Christians Dont Believe in.....AND Gods that Atheists Dont Believe in

That's the point. My inability to explain something to you is in no way evidence of your explanation.

 

Neither is it in any way evidence of your explanation. Can't you see that it's more logical to become an Agnostic?

 

I agree, Not being able to explain what happened directly before X isn't evidence of X. But then i never claimed it was. We don't have to know what happened before X to prove X happened.

Whats your point?

No, because that is another argument from ignorance. not being able to explain something isn't evidence for any other explanation and it doesn't make any other explanation any more likely.

Seriously, Look up what an argument from ignorance is. Right now you are relying entirely on this fallacy.

 

That you should at the very least convert to Agnostiscm.

 

On the basis that i don't know what caused the big bang?

 

If you believe in the big bang, and are logical enough to understand that something bigger than the big bang had to cause it, and so on... all the way backward through the cause and effect chain to something that had no cause but still produced an effect, and therefore defies logic in a way that makes it above the rules of the universe, then yes. Unless you know something that Einstein didn't?

 

So now you are making the obscure assumtion that the initial cause had to have been a god?

 

Whatever name you put on it, and even if you don't put a name on it, it fits the definition of the word god.

 

Well, not really. A "god" would at least have to be conscious. All you are doing is changing the definition of god to conform with the properties you assume the initial cause to have as justification for claiming the initial cause was a "god".

 

Nothing like caffeine or debates about god, to help keep you up through the night.

 

If I say "why would it have to be conscious" that would go against the first cause (God) that I believe in.

If I say "it is fairly likely that it was conscious" I realize that we are arguing about something illogical and trying to assign logic to it.

Once again my faith in God is stripped down to pure faith which isn't based on logic. Luckily I already knew this and can admit it.

So can you at least admit that this + the complexity of the universe + your own consciousness = some pretty good evidence of a god?

 

Combine the two and who needs crack?

 

The next step is to admit that something that is not logical and based entirely on faith probably doesn't exist. Are you sure you aren't the one who should become the agnostic, Or at least a deist?

How is it evidence of god? why would a god have to exist for the universe to be complex and me to be conscious? You are combining an argument from design with an argument from ignorance to create some kind of superfallacy.

 

Stop trying to convert me! That's the whole reason I hate you atheists.

Besides, it wouldn't matter, my soul is already owned for eternity.

 

SolutionX, you are so busted! StOx must have really gotten to you by proving what a child you are. Adults don't throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way.

This is a forum, not a choir. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Anyway, when was the last time an atheist knocked on your door or buttonholed you on the street, trying to "convert" you? That's what you fundamentalists do.

As for "hate", isn't that rather un-Christian? It sure contradicts your avatar logo.

 

For me thse not make sense to me to have many gods:


the word God mean SO perfect
he don't need any help from any one ... it's God

who you can call any thing that not perfect God !!!???

WE can call it any thing else

hint: call it boypizzagod or whatsover

many of those boypizzagods that just mean no one of then is god

because god mean it perfect create all universe , why he creat other gods

they don't need them is perfect, powerful,.... you get idea.

pizzaboygod are powerless thant Real god is so they are not gods,

just found nice name for them like pizzaboygod..


I belive GOd is once we need him, and he don't need any from any he God

the word GOD is loaded 8ef

 

Temper tantrum? Can't see it. He was mucking around and trying to keep the "heat' down. Unlike your post here trying to turn it on.

"trying to covert" is way different to "offering an invitation to learn". Go do some further research before you make any further inaccurate blanket statements about people you don't know.

Pointing fingers never did anyone good on either end of the finger. It just creates anxt. Might be best you have a nice cup of tea and calm down a bit.

 

Thanks Col. Those atheists have no sense of humor, huh?

Disclaimer: To anyone who is in a bad mood, that last sentance was a joke.