Should Schools Teach "Intelligent Falling"?

speaking of this subject, what do all of you evolutionists think the point of life is?

I'm just curious.

 

The point of life is living happily.

 

How convienent. Since it can't be observed or repeated then it must have happened.

 

Disagree.

All advocates of government overreach paint the same picture, that life without government will lack voluntary cooperation, lack education, sanitation, health, safety, morality etc. etc. etc. There will be no medicine, there will be no technology, there will be no food. Just death and despair in a wasteland, without government...

People who think like this, are ready to live on their knees. They can't imagine a world where free people make free decisions, without having to succumb to groupthink or doctrine.

You rail and rail against religion, and yet your religion is an atheist socialistic government. You're willing to forego the mysticism, but eager to maintain the fear that outside your groupthink, that outside your structure everyone else is retarded and a failure. It's no different than the coercive message of "believe, or go to hell".

Well, wake up. People teach people. People pull teeth. People grow food, build houses, write poetry. You don't need the f**king state to do it, you just need natural born, human beings.

Your statement is only true, if I receive more in benefits than I pay in taxes. If I pay more, then I have less comfort than I would without taxation.

And I can guarantee you, that as an aggregate, because we have to pay for foreign aid, welfare for people who don't need it, health care for people who abuse it, politicians who swindle from the treasury, and their entourages and inflated salaries, none of us who pay are getting a fair shake.

Save the fear mongering and chastising for someone else. You might be afraid to leave the comfort of Parental Government, but I am not. I'm a big boy.

 

your not a big boy, You're a spoiled kid who, while living in the comfort of his parents house, bitches about how much he hates them. I suggested an alternative "big boy", Move to Botswana and live in a house made of animal shit. or would you miss being educated, free from disease and walking on pavement too much? things which can and will only be available through taxation.

Argue against corrupt government and wasted taxes if you like, but to argue against taxation and government across the board only demonstrates how much you take what you have for granted.

 

To be productive and happy... it's one of the benefits of not being trapped in a death cult like christianity where the only thing that can rid you of your inherited sin is dying and being judged. Oh how happy that must make you

 

empty statement again. nobody says that. this is your "I"logic. for you, lack of a video proves a magic blow of creation in spite of of the absolute lack of evidence.

 

I'm pretty much an existentialist (which, strange as it may seem, has a lot of cross-pollinization with zen practice), so don't see that life has much of a point at all. It is something I struggle with continually. I can say that I have been able to enjoy the world more when I have been able to accept our ridiculous condition. Not at all accomplished at it, especially anymore, and I go in waves (my involvement on this forum is testimony enough), but when I can calm my ass down, accept there isn't a point, and just observe, I find the world is a pretty wondrous place; compassion in crystalline moments, beauty everywhere.

 

You don't know me. You don't know where I've been, or what I've done. You don't know how I live, what I consume, or what I dream about. So slow down with personalizing. It's baseless, and a weak defense in an argument, if you have to resort to name calling.

I don't think you've gotten much out of your state education, if you think everyone in Botswana, or even most people in Botswana live in houses made of animal sh1t.

You don't think private citizens can pour pavement? or treat a disease? or teach their children?

I'm going to assume you are being intentionally obtuse because you are losing the argument. The alternative would be to hold your mental capacity in low regard.

It's a very myopic view of the world, that you don't believe that creation and life are special, perhaps even holy or magical, but that individual humans have no natural rights, and are incapable of functioning without mass authority and organization.

If you hold individual life in such low regard, what will you do if you are ever separated or cast out from the nanny state?

 

hahaha. being educated and free from disease can only come through taxation? Well then, I must have done the impossible!

Tell me, how did the citizens of America survive when this country was first declared?

I'm pretty sure they were very educated, as the Constitution is proof. And I don't believe disease was any worse off then than it is now!

Taxation does the exact opposite, it empowers the elites, it gives control and it creates unnecessary dependency.

What is the form of government most opposite to tyranny and what characteristics make tyranny so bad? Or to you, is tyranny even so bad?

 

What difference does it make what the schools teach, when our kids are indoctrinated every single day?

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/8234

It would be sad if it wasn't so funny.

 

Are you a big brother contestant? It was an analogy regarding your position and attitude towards the country you live in.

Some are educated, But you still aren't moving there are you. it's tax free lifestyle isn't something you'd feel comfortable living in.

Private citizens can and do pave streets, Treat disease and teach children, But when they do it they are paid by tax payers.

tell me... Where is education, disease research, Street paving and alike going to come from without taxation?

the trouble with your type is you want the education, You want to be disease free, You want sanitation and you want sidewalks, You just don't want to pay for it.

 

Botswana is not tax free. You're continuing to show the failings of a state education.

Explain charity hospitals and schools please.

The free market. Charity. Mutual consent. Where do you think it came from 200 years ago?

The trouble with "my type"?

Again, you don't have a clue who I am. So save the juvenile attempts at stereotyping or demeaning my character. Your argument lacks merit, attacking me won't make it right.

If I didn't want to pay for it, I would stop working and take part in the welfare system.

That's the flaw in your lame ad hominem attacks. In the absence of government, I would have to provide those services for myself or do without.

Try again son. You're in a debate with someone who learned to think, not someone who thinks he's learned from the state.

 

Viruses evolve. the 1918 Spanish Flu is the predecessor to all modern human flu variants.
Bacteria evolve. E-coli has been grown in laboratories and when exposed to antibiotics over time, those that live become more resistant, as do their progeny. Each time the next generation is bombarded by antibiotics the E-Coli that remains is ever stronger, while those that are not die off. The result is super-resistance through genetic mutations that favor the strong.
Trilobites evolved. There are more fossils of trilobites than any other creature, and that evidence shows how they adapted and changed.
Mice evolve - in laboratories where they continually breed mice for research, the fundamental processes of breeding are carefully watched, and favorable traits have created mice that live longer, and are easier to work with. This is human manipulated evolution, but it is evolution.
Dogs. Don't be stupid. Wolves to Dogs are Man's gift to the world. Through selective breeding, just like natural selection - except at man's whim and fancy - the modern dog varies in abundance.
Horses. There is only one type of "wild" horse left in the world. All of the horses that are in herds and such here in North America and across the world are actually feral versions of the Domesticated Horse, which has been bred into specific breeds. However, the genetic variation between a true wild horse and a domesticated horse has resulted in nullified offspring. The chromosome counts differ.
Evolution is all around you, as bacteria create new bacteria, and as viruses evolve to make you sick each year, creating new strains and new deadly potential, and as the slow evolution of mankind into a simpler state of retardedness from an excessively shallow gene pool continues, the evolution you so wish to not be true surrounds and suffocates you while you blindly wander in the night wishing it not be true, just as you wish the billions of germs on your body that you cannot see are not real. One in three has the dormant strep. One in two has staph on them, waiting.

And these, these wonderful tiny little rapidly mutating organisms are just waiting to prove to you they exist. Since the claim is that if you can't see it happen, it doesn't exist... but infections happen internally without the host knowing - therefore it doesn't exist. In fact, I'm not sure you have a brain - because I cannot see it. Therefore unless you open your skull - I say your brain doesn't exist.

 

so you do want the education, paved streets and the disease treatment, You just don't want to pay for it. We call that poncing over here. Because you don't want to pay tax people should provide their training, expertise and knowledge for nothing?

 

On top of making poorly formed arguments, and at times, displaying total ignorance of the subject matter, you are now creating strawmen.

I don't have a problem, paying for what I use. Everyone should pay for what they use. Of course, if people want to provide charity, they should be able to do so.

Your obsessive defense of the state, seems poorly reasoned. But then, there are almost no socialists, statists, centrists or fascists on this forum who will argue me point for point, instead preferring to rely on insults, which leads me to believe it's less about my ability to debate, and more about the fact that they have indefensible positions.

So far in this thread, you have reasoned that only taxation can provide education, infrastructure, skills, training, health and probably some others.

Let's tie this up. Do you or do you not agree with this statement?

 

@guerilla
your system only works in theory. Historicly it was always the governments who improved education, healthcare systems, the infrastructure

 

So in what way to you propose of paying for what you use? By taxation voluntary donations? Ok, So let's look at what that would entail. Firstly you will need to catalogue every aspect of every public amenity that you use and how often you use it. Should this be done on a weekly basis after you have used it? Or should it be paid for AS you use it? or should it be paid for before you use it?

For ease let's assume you will be paying for what you use using the first example of how this could be achieved.
you will need to sit down every week and document what streets you walked on, How often you walked on them, Were they lit at the time? did you drive through any traffic lights? If so, How many? Did you cross any bridges? if so, Which ones and how many times? Did you use any pedestrian crossings, if so which and how many times. Did you apply for any licences or permits? if so, Which and how many? Did you have any vaccinations or medical treatment that wasn't paid for by a private insurance policy? If so, What? Now repeat the above for your wife and any children you may have. if you do have children, Do they go to a public school? Did they borrow any books from the library?

Now we have to calculate the cost of cataloging this information and checking that the information you provided was accurate.

So far you have offered absolutely no alternative to taxation and have simply stamped you feet and proclaimed in a loud voice "wahh wahh, I don't like taxes!"

taxation is by far the cheapest and most effective way of funding public amenities.

No i don't agree with that. But taxation is the only realistic workable way of doing it without creating an enormous hugely expensive bureaucracy and a mountain of paper work. if you have a better way let's hear it, So far you have offered no solution to this imagined problem of yours.

 

I can understand people from countries that have always had a monarchy or an authoritarian government feeling that these ideas are just "theory", but in America, there is a tradition bereft of dictators, monarchs, parliaments and regimes.

Many people are quickly forgetting that our history is not based on state control. It was based on rugged individualism, freedom, opportunity and creativity.

We didn't have a culture that was based around applying to city hall for a permit, and then deliberating for 3 years to get a sidewalk put in. People in the neighborhood would get together, and git er dun. Communities working together VOLUNTARILY.

 

So you don't agree, or you might kinda agree. Which is it?