Turkey recognized Kosovo's independence. Wow, isn't that hypocracy? How about the kur

Obama or Clinton?

Obama didn't vote for the war on Iraq. Serious Plus.

 

We can talk that issue on your annual thread, traditional armenian cry-baby day of 2008, you bring your regular history science fiction i bring some facts, regular armenian turkish debate i mean. We even voted for you in Eurovision show some gratitude haha. We'll have a national match in Yerevan soon did you know that? Your politicians and ours will get along sooner or later and people like you won't prevent it till forever.

But you made my day man, thanks

 

Why do you insist I am an Armenian?
Since you didn't answer my question I'll answer it for you.

"......The CIA World factbook states that 99.8% of Turkey's population are Muslims....."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Turkey

What does that tell you????
Smells like "Convert or Die" for me policy for quite some time.

 

Huh? Uh?

So your point of blaming Turkey is the vast majority is Muslim? Is that what our fault is?
Islamophobia now.

Dude you are completely losing your ties with reality, come back to the present from which dark age you're living.

 

ARMENIAN GENOCIDE:

Armenian Genocide at New York Times here

United States resolution on Armenian genocide here

Armenian Genocide here

Recognition of the Armenian Genocide here


Denial of the Armenian Genocide here

For more info on Armenians here
So, the final number of Armenians there is about same as in Canada.


Armenian Apostolic Church : The Armenian Apostolic Church is the world's oldest national church and one of the most ancient Christian communities. more here



Why people do not be introduced to this... That nation is devastated..

 

Did you even read the title or did you just see "Turkey" and say what the hell let me puke my hate here?

As a Serb though, you are one of the last to talk about genocides Noone forgets Srebrenica and numerous others.

 

Yup. You are right as for all other, as I said before. You are great and we sucks.

 

"You suck" is what you implied not me, you have the kind of hatred we don't have for you. Well, drawn in your stress i don't care; we are very much experienced in dealing with enemies.

 

This is no we're right, you're wrong thing. No country is great, but if you are accusing a country with something, first you should go and read about your own history and the genocides Serbians did.

 

Yes. Thats I said. You are right. That is the only way we can discus.
I do not point sources with atrocities committed by foreign citizens in Bosnia, since I am not "sort of human" you and some other people want to discuss at all, and share info and knowledge.

FYI, I never said that You are last to talk about anything, or anyone anywhere. I pointed that attitude of politicians are very hypocrite. As stated in thread title. Even more, I brought proof from one of most independent sources available.

I believe you are webmaster and you never harmed anyone. I tried to start dialog. And looks like any mention that your government is/was in any period of time is/was hypocrite feels like I said to you personally. Strange, you feel this is a battle.

That is why many places in the world are and will be without future, peoples life is and will be threatened as nothing more than survive, from day to day.

In my own country there was and there are forces that denials any war crime, any wrong decisions. But I was and I will be against them and I am fighting that forces until it is necessary. And I am proud of it as many millions of other people here, and many more around the world. Looking for peace, prosperity and understanding.

And, I am patriot. Many times ashamed, but many times proud to be what I am, also. Because I am thinking and I am not blind.

For me, you are that what you tried to implement that I am.

Yes, once again Turkey government is hypocrite, have and had double standards, interested in other countries inner problems, destroying world peace, sending covered special army forces in third countries, trying to change events in history books. Killing millions of people changed demographic structure.

But, since I am Serb you are right.

 

Now that's classic. The only reason you come to this thread and paste things about a so-called genocide is, that you see Turkey has recognised Kosovo which you don't really like, so you try to find something to counter no matter how irreveleant it is with this particular thread and even when you know there is great deal of contrevarsy about what you pasted and can't be clarified with 1 post and a couple of links you found from google, when you see the personal arguement is doomed to get messy, you play the "i tried to start a dialog" card. And mention "hypocracy" afterwards, if that's not irony i don't know what is.

To clarfiy my statement further; this is the way how you feel about Turks, need you more?
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=6624577#post6624577

Do you know what symbolic racism is? Symbolic racists do not follow the traditional racism as that way of it is commonly unappreciated so that kind of behaviour would unfavor them in debates. So as an alternative, they try to look as if they are not, usually use words of good intentions, on the other hand they use methods which the traditional racism would consequte, just like the "super powers" are so-called after "democracy, freedom and liberation" when in fact their ultimate goal is entirely different. Ring a bell here?

Turkey destroying world peace? sending army forces in 3rd world?
Are you familiar with the word NATO? or UN? Do you believe Turkey is running them? I don't have the slightest idea where you get these ideas from. Maybe your historic hatred causing you some delusions at sleep?

Turkey has a neutral foreign policy and follows the global community as much as she can. Even though most of the EU and our neighbours are trying to provoke terrorism within our borders, funding them supplying weapons and everything, as i earlier stated we do not respond in such way.

If you are in the need of a scape goat for Serbia's problems, that's quite surely not Turkey, you know it too.

This sounds a bit manic depressive.


PS: I need to go out, i will not be able to answer till late night if anything asked or said, FYI.

 

US is behind all that Kosovo deal, and Turkey is trying to extract something out of it, like Islamic Imperialistic influence to feed their nostalgia for the Ottoman times.
I wonder about Germany, France and England why are they getting into this pit since it can easily backfire on EU in the world theater as being a US puppet? Why are they pushing all other EU members to play this game with the great dangers of destroying peace in Europe?
Is that what they really want? No peace?

 

Western EU sticks with their position in regards to continuous cold war, that's why. Morals were never a priority.

 

Let me correct you on this.

Europe got enough wars and are fed up with them. It is US that is pushing for cold and hot wars.
The anti-missile shield that US wants in Poland and the Czech Republic are good example for restarting the arms race.
The brutal wars on Iraq and Serbia another good example for the hot wars. Unjust wars hardly win in the long run.

May be US wants instability in the world to weaken everybody, since US herself is in economic trouble. At the end of the they you find out that it is all about money and some in US want the most of it for themselves.

 

What I got know, much earlier before Kosovo crisis become theme, is that population of Kosovo and Metohija is majority albanian and in 10-20 years will be majority in whole Republic of Serbia. Ethnic cleansing that is active from end of world war 2, bad laws that enabled it, hidden wars of major secret services created situation that erupted in 1999.


What is happening there now: government running by NATO and UN, and now EU. Kosovo people talking about independence but it is moderated independence.

As I read few days ago - german ministry of foreign affairs stated that in 20 years should be talked about real independance and EU membership.

That is the key: there is big collision between 2 parts of one country.

Kosovo will be splitted in 2 parts - major with albanians and other part with still living there serbs.

Serbs will not live in foreign country, we in serbia will continue our integration in europe in our speed and way, finally, and Kosovars will enjoy their own sovereign country and creating democratic society will be - is in their hands.
There will be no serbs to blame for luck of freedom and support, so lets see.


What is happening now here is pure political demagogy and populism with a little to support, but - I am not agreed that those Serbs now living in other country, too. I am hardly against it.

At other end some countries do not see point of it and tried to use situation for their own interests. Saudi Arabia, Turkey and few more countries are very active at Kosovo for decades. With support of US, Germany, UK services in one goal: sovereignty. But, in future we will see splitting in two wished country ways: democratic, EU oriented and Islam oriented. I hope that democratic society will win like in Bosnia.

Also, I hope I will be not interested in that, and Kosovo will be real sovereign country.

Also to mention few months ago, in Sandzak, part of inner Serbia police arrested terrorists that created camp with support of, guess who!

If Serbia ever took actions like Turkey against many citizens there will be no albanians for good on kosovo.


God help us all on Balkans.

 

You started again talking about me.

Well, if you got hacked many times, owning 70-80 domains, got banned by hosting company for putting virus (by hackers), loose dozen of database content. And all that with "Turkish Hackers" clearly stated (proud to do that), and not being Turk you will feel some kind of anger. There was some time and work involved.

I gave support to that member for his first post and thats my right. I used situation to provoke and thats all. Even more, I got warning for a first time for my post. Fair. I am agreed. That is should not be tolerated.

I do not see any other feeling in any post by you, so it is even more clear that you lets say not hate, but surely you do not love. So, if you are so righteous you would forgive, but you do not forgive anything. You are remembering.

 

Vlada,
You seem to be accepting Kosovo as a province no longer part of Serbia.

Well, IMO that will be the biggest slap in the face of the Kosovo independence supporters. More new countries are on the road to independence including in those who engineered Kosovo's independence.
I wouldn't like to see that in US, but the Karma law is universal and applies to each and everyone. There are a lot of minorities and religions in US, some religious people may decide they can practice their religion better alone. Now it seems impossible but after 20-50-100 years who knows?

 

peace of cake:

US to Turkey: Recognize Kosovo

Turkey to US: no problems, we'll need Iraq instead.

US to Turkey: fine, go ahead and bomb the f's.

 

I didn't understand the if you are so righteous you would forgive part, sorry. First part is correct; I don't have further feelings than the fundamental positive, but i surely don't hate.

@NFS; you imply it's a give to take, which works for everyone you know, but given example isn't what this is about, recognition was already Turkey's intention bc of relations, the way issue handled by UN provided solid grounds, otherwise there'd be no individual recognition despite the global community just bc US wants so. Turkey has it's conflicts with US, even leaving NATO was a consideration some while ago due to some events of Iraq war. Your example is the coincident order of 2 seperate events.

 

Maybe Europe should decide to recognize Northern Cyprus Turkish Republic.
For Turkey : Turks and Kurds are like meat and nail in Turkey.
In Iraq : Even the president is a Kurd but they should remember that the weapons that Saddam used on them and killed their people was provided by USA and European countries(friends?).Now they say that they are friends but they are not friends and they never will they only want their land , their soul , their oil and their blood.
Turkey wants a strong and stabilized neighbour and does not want Iraq to break cause if they break as seen in Yugoslavia etc people will be killed and that destabilization can ruin all the geography.

Now tell us who is on the peace side , who is on the war side.And who are the friends.
"Beware of the Emperialists and Colonists"
That's the game.