Links from non-related sites

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by coolcow, Feb 18, 2008.

  1. #1
    I have a gardening site and after position for some specific search terms . Will link from gardening unrelated sites useful for that purpose or will it bring me harm instead?

    Thx!
     
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  2. wtlok

    wtlok Active Member

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    #2
    I think it harm to your site !
     
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  3. seopigeon

    seopigeon Banned

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    #3
    unrelated sites links are not use full, its is not good....
     
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    comati Active Member

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    related sites may harm your site and non-related sites may help your site, google algorithm is complex, my advice is to experiment, stay away from link farms and automate submision
     
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    CaffinePhil Banned

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    It will increase the number of back links so that is a good thing but you cannot expect a great lot of traffic from unrelated sites. Google will not view the link as being as important as a relevant one but may still count it. Other search engines certainly will.
     
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  6. PixelStreamed

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    #6
    any inbound link is a good link :)
     
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    #7
    It won't harm your site, a backlink is a backlink (providing of course you don't overdo it with completely unrelated websites). Relevent backlinks will just be more heavily weighted and you should work on those instead for more effective results.
     
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    Qryztufre Prominent Member

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    #8
    I think Scottscd gave the best answer yet.

    Any link is better then no link. From there things can really make a difference, but as you can not help where people talk about your site, they often do not harm you.

    So while it's best to get related links, as people are more inclined to click them, and bots understand that, an unrelated link still has it's perks.

    I've pulled in a few members to my Occult Forum through my sig link here...and there is no real relevance between SEO and the Occult (unless you plan to magickally optimize your site, lol).

    While I'm unsure just how much effect my sig has had SERP wise, I still think it's important enough to share.
     
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  9. usasportstraining

    usasportstraining Notable Member

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    #9
    It depends upon your goal.

    Do you only want a high PageRank? If so, focus on getting tons of links and don't worry about relevance so much.

    Would I recommend that? No.

    Otherwise, if your goal is to rank highly in the SERPs, then absolutely focus on relevant backlinks. Relevance is key.
     
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    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    Unrelated links to your site will not hurt you. If they could hurt you, then all your competitors would need to do is to submit your website to unrelated directories, link farms, etc. The search engines are obviously too smart to let that type of sabotage affect your site negatively.
     
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    #11
    Assume Site 1 = Site 2.
    They have similar site structure, they have similar or lets assume no Back links


    They compete for a search string "Gardening Without Tools"

    And there are no other sites competing for that search string.

    Then a link to site 1 with the anchor "Gardening Without Tools" will rank you better.

    Of course an old site with lots of relevant links none with back link with "Gardening Without Tools" could outrank you if that page has Gardening and tools at random.

    A Rank is a Rank.. You need a frame a reference... You don't rank for a key word.. You rank for a keyword againts so and so sites :)

    Oh that said, it is always good to get relevant links, and... there are ways to get some relevant links be innovative.

    If you want to get link from a not so relevant site:
    Let us assume a celebrity site, then what you can do is, create a web page on your site that says Gardens of celebrities, and write some good content, and maybe a few pictures.

    And get the link to that page and not the home page. Linsk to inner pages are very very good, and you can really get innovative to get innovative links
     
    Blogspotter, Feb 19, 2008 IP
  12. mit

    mit Well-Known Member

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    #12
    but why going for irrelevant sites? It will give no gain for your site rankings.
     
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    #13
    Well coolcow, why do you want to go for irrelevant links. these links are not quality links we avoid link farming only because of irrelevant links. google check these links and origin of these links. from where links are coming...
    Secondly, if you get irrelevant links for your site , you draw unwanted traffic on your site. bounce rate is much for these sites. so i think this is useless...
     
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  14. Bloomtools

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    #14
    Can you prove it?
     
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    mit Well-Known Member

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    You can't get any proof after passing a red color reputation to the member

    The main thing in search engine marketing is relevancy. That's my experience, If you want relevant traffic and results by search engines, always try to make relevancy. One relevant link is far better than 10 irrelevant links.

    And there are many other factors to get better SE rankings.
     
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    #16
    But the problem with new site will always occur, better to make an internal directory for website and than start link building, i haven't seen any damage to do so from my exp.

     
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    By internal directory, do you mean a sitemap (I'm not referring to a Google Sitemap)?
     
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    #18
    An unrelated link of high PR 5+ is worth it and does of course build some 'authority' for your website even if it doesn't hold your anchor text; that's what I always thought.

    However PR0-1 unrelated links aren't worth your time.


    However, I was never sure of one thing. What exactly does the page your link will appear on need to have for it to be consider related? A complete article with words similar to those on your website, or is a single use of the keyword phrase enough and then rambling on about unrelated things. For example, say you mention the term horoscope in a comment you leave on a dofollow blog and you also use your name 'horoscope' when the page is unrelated.. how would that be counted as?
     
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    #19
    Let's say the backlink is from a page that has several mentions of "soccer ball", while your page also mentions "soccer ball" several times, etc, this would be related content. If the internal linking structure of your site is good and you have other pages mentioning "soccer" or "soccer ball", etc, then all of that ties together.

    If you have a backlink from a page that has no mention of "soccer ball", etc, then you will likely not be hurt by it, and the PageRank may be passed. However, it will have little effect on the SERP.

    PR seems to be the tie breaker after everything else is considered, but it otherwise seems to have little value in terms of SERPs.

    Your SERP is what matters. Related content backlinks (along with other SEO) is what will increase your SERP.
     
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    The question is, what is a related link and what is an unrelated link?
    If coolcow with his gardening site gets a link from maybe a weather site, would this be considered related or unrelated? Weather is important for gardeners, right?
    What about links from an astrology site? Sounds totally off-topic but maybe someone developed a horoscope for flowers? How would you know?
    And the point seems to be that the search engines can't know either. So they won't penalize a site for a backlink from another site, even if the relevance doesn't seem clear on first glance. There is much more evidence that these links don't harm you and might even help with ranking.
     
    bminor, Feb 22, 2008 IP