Anyones Rankings Just Sunk?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by sweetfunny, Jan 26, 2008.

  1. Valley

    Valley Peon

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    #101
    Does anyone know of a site that will check all of your outbound links automatically.
    I am going to try and remove anything that is in a place that looks like a paid outbound link.
     
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  2. kgrad

    kgrad Well-Known Member

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    #102
    Yeah I 100% agree, if this was any other kind of offline business, we would probably have taken the person or company to court...but we cant do anything with Google.
    Probably, this is the "business risk" in SEO, you can't predict anything, and one fine day...you see yourself on the road..
    I can't imagine myself in your state.
    I hope you have other revenue sources....
     
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  3. slabbernock

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    #103
    Perhaps everyone affected here should take 10 minutes, and write out a letter to Google (real mail so you know it gets there, just look up 'contact google' and you will find their california address) put a title on it indicating what department it should goto. Then simply yet politely explain this issue with the usa servers etc... As seen on this thread. And ask them for some insight. I remember years ago you could write the webmaster at google and actually get a response... it seems like those days are gone. And using those other email addresses for contacts I think just puts them in an inbox where 1000000 other emails are where they just pull out of a hat to determine which ones to even open up.
     
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  4. SEOguy101

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    #104
    Any updates on this? My rankings seem to be very slowly improving...but other DC's are showing much higher results still.
     
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  5. Valley

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    #105
    I think I have sussed my problem.

    I should be an the second page for my own keyword according to the dance tool shortly.
    Competitive keywords still 45 - 75 depending on where it is being measured

    Nope it isn't fixed.
    A mapped domain to mine shot up
     
    Valley, Feb 11, 2008 IP
  6. sweetfunny

    sweetfunny Banned

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    #106
    Mine is actually getting worse, about 50% of the site has now been de-indexed since "G Day". Hard to believe traffic has gone from around 15,000 visitors a day to just 100 a day in 2 weeks.

    I actually submitted a re-inclusion request, however i highly doubt anything will happen with that. I bought a domain at TDNAM and Google refused to index/cache it so i submitted a re-inclusion request complete with a link to the auction as well as the Whois update records to confirm i just purchased it and 7 months later the domain still isn't indexed.

    Speaks volumes about their re-inclusion process, i doubt they even look at half of them.
     
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    #107

    Ouch. 50% is not good. What odds would you give it of coming back on its own?

    Is a re-inclusion request your only way to communicate with G about this?

    Any idea if this is happening to other large volume sites? I know some little sites claim it's happening to them, but I haven't heard of anything else on this scale.

    :confused:
     
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  8. kgrad

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    #108
    I seriously think, that someone has done some kind of black hat stuff to get you site in this condition, may be some competitor - a trick, you and I are not aware of... Its very strange to see Google behaving in this way - first loss of serps and then deindexed! :eek:
     
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  9. phantom

    phantom Well-Known Member

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    #109
    maybe google just sucks .......maybe it's getting to big for it's britches and can't handle all of the world's data.
     
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    #110
    You should push your SERPS. spend half hour a day to do so and will be fine
     
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  11. sweetfunny

    sweetfunny Banned

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    #111
    The reasons why this doesn't apply:

    * I'm a full time webmaster and work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week online and most of this time has been spent on the effected site.

    * I rank in the top #15 for "SEO" on Google.com with only 3 or 4 spots separating myself and SEOmoz for the term, a rank i achieved on my own and not via a team of SEO's like most of the top 20.

    * The site has been built on a self-reinforcing model, meaning it's designed to accumulate backlinks naturally on it's own.

    kgrad, yes the though crossed my mind that someone may of attempted a sabotage on the site because it was taking SERP's from the #1 site in the niche rapidly. However i'm pretty well versed in SERM (Search Engine Reputation Management) or Negative SEO, as well as Black Hat tactics etc and there's no evidence of this. I've gone over every line of code, every database table in case of a code injection as well as gone over every backlink and tracked competitors ranks and there's nothing.

    No single competitor has jumped in the SERP's, just my site fell out completely and sites below me jumped 1 spot to fill the gap.

    I'm leaning towards Phantoms comment due to the inconsistencies, and large number of errors in the index lately...

     
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  12. Valley

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    #112
    General trend is up.
    Suspect due to location of outbounds.
     
    Valley, Feb 12, 2008 IP
  13. slabbernock

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  14. sweetfunny

    sweetfunny Banned

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    #114
    No, it's not showing up in any Google powered search.

    The odd thing, when it happened all rankings vanished from all datacenters in about 5 minutes.

    I was online when it happened viewing the live stats back-end. It shows referrers in real time and the exact page they came from, so if someone searched from "Blue Widgets" on Google.com.au for example the stats shows the entry page along with a live link to the Google page they came from.. So if i was say #14 i can click the link and it would take me to page 2 on Google.com.au for the search term "Blue Widgets" and i can see my page in the SERP's.

    Because the large volume of traffic and SERP's the stats update changes continuously, well it went quiet for a few minutes and stopped updating so i actually thought it was broken.

    So i started clicking on dozens of refers that entered the site in the 20 minutes before everything went quiet. I was getting taken to page 1 and 2 for 100's of terms from dozens of Google country tld's and my site was nowhere... Not even in the top 500 for any when they were on page 1 moments before.

    I've seen a ranking or two drop out of SERP's before, or most rankings dropping various amounts quickly but never a complete wipeout of over 100,000 rankings in 5 minutes flat.
     
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    #115
    Sweetfunny, so have you thought about what you are going to do next...? I mean, what is the next plan... you can't let all the hard work go waste like this...
     
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    sweetfunny Banned

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    #116
    Unfortunately my options for it are limited, it was earning quite a bit of money before it vanished but most of that was re-invested back in the site so i definitely am at a loss with it financially.

    I had an affiliate button on the site (Nofollow) along with a sitewide text link (Dofollow but not paid) to a friends site, so i have removed these two and submitted a re-inclusion request. I can't see these being the cause because Google has been applying a reduction in PR for link sellers, and not wiping a site out completely for a Dofollow link.

    If this doesn't work, i will try doing a 301 on the domain to another similar themed site and new domain to see if the backlinks will carry over and help kickstart something else.
     
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  17. slabbernock

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    #117
    SweetFunny, that seriously SUCKS BIG TIME!:(:mad::confused: Believe me I know what its like!! I am pretty depressed with this all. I am getting squat traffic for my site.
    Fortunately, my site it is still showing on the first page of Google Datacenters but not on Google.com (USA) so in essense I am making next to nothing since the USA was my main target.
    But I suppose I have a tiny bit of hope still the fact that it shows to be on the first page of all the google datacenters. But who knows... I will keep everyone posted if anything changes.
     
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    #118
    The same thing happened to me on 24 january..bam..in the same days lost rankings for 2-3 sites
    ..lost all rankings on google.com BUT JUST in USA.
    I am on the same positions on Google.com if I query from other countries.
    Now I am trying to build links only from .com domains hosted in USA...maybe that is the issue
     
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    #119
    It's possible that your site was manually penalized for link selling. Google really has no way to know whether a link was purchased and may be throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
     
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    #120
    Mine jumped up in the SERPs.
     
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