The events of February 7 2008 are biblicaly reflected upon at Revelation 13:3.

weow..! I was kinda lost reading this thread. I'm curios what happened on feb 7th? well i believe on what's written on revelations, and it seems that everything is happening now.. but i still don't know what exactly happened feb 7th?

 

Traditional Lunar New Year begins for several Asian cultures (2008), Year of the Rat

or maybe because it was Garth Brooks Day in Country Music..

 

Garth Brooks Day...if that's not a sign of the end times, I don't know what is!!

 

That, and Cylon giving up his porn collection!

 

talk about the day that the pigs are flying in a snowstorm in hell!

 

If I was good enough with photoshop, I would have added a few flying pigs... Where is uglyboy when you need him??


(Hell... An actual place in Michigan...)

 

I'm sure the MS Paint master could work with it

 

As a matter of fact, I did. But, hey, as the fundamentalists say, it's just a "theory".

BTW for all the godtalk that I've read, no one has yet proven the existence of a supreme being, just more of the same: using the bible to "prove" the bible

Not only is the world not flat (another "theory"), but there are are millions of other people on this planet who get along just fine (Japan, etc.) without Christianity and have a much lower crime than the U.S., which a lot of fundies like to claim is a "Christian nation"

 

Getting along fine? So, murder, rape, crime, diseases and death is getting along fine? Hardly! Who says there's no Christianity in Japan? The crime rate might be lower in these types of countries but they can't avoid sickness and death.

As far as proving God exists I see it all the time in the people I communicate with and the earth's wonderful things created. I used to think your thoughts some years ago but I wised up and had a good look into the Bible to find out what it really teaches.

It's not a book just to be read. It is meant to be studied, analysed, discussed and meditated upon.

I remember a guy I worked with who told me "Oh! The bible. Yeah, I read that twice. I'm pretty familiar with it. I know what's in it." I asked " what did you think of the last book in the Bible?" He replied "Can't remember!" A classic case and there's millions who have done the same as this guy. He probably did read it twice. From cover to cover, and not stopping to think about what it is really saying.

I don't really expect anyone to believe in the Bible for the simple fact that hardly anyone cares about what's in it. Most people rely on what they see and hear and that's enough for them.

 

godtalk well clearly you are very interested in the subject using such eloquent terms. Have you ever even picked up a Bible?

If Jesus showed up @ your next block party and turned water into wine do you think that would make any difference?? There'd still be more than a handful of non-believers no matter what Jesus, God, or the Holy Spirit reveals to us. That's the beauty of it...if he was proved as you say...nothing would matter, nothing would be required from us other than to punch our spiritual time card...what good could come from that. God wants a relationship, a fellowship, not some programmed robot.

There is a certain measure of faith that makes this whole thing click! If God had to prove himself every time a doubting Thomas came along...what good would that be? It would require nothing from us but to worship him...he programmed us to have a free will.




As far as the "Christian nation" - lip service...most of it. Look at the direction that the USA is heading...far from a "Christian nation", despite what any poll might tell you.

Like Col said...creation in and of itself ought to be enough for most people to believe in a supreme God...if you can't accept that you are just blinded. My only hope ifs that the Truth is revealed to you @ some point

 

Garth Brooks just came out with another 3-disc best of, including 4 new songs. I have to wonder why. I know he just got divorced, but he has to still have all the money in the world.

 

All that touchy-feely stuff that you see, sounds like that old song from the 1950's "I Believe". It still proves nothing about the existence of a god. And your argument for the bible sounds like "It is true because it must be true." That makes no sense at all.

And is sickness among the earth's wonderful things created? (Well perhaps so..Bacteria and viruses are living things.)

Creation does not prove the existence of God. Science has long since established the age of the universe (about 14,000,000,000 years--not 5000 which is the scriputural version) and is zeroing on in the nature its birth as well.

But let's assume you're right about the universe being created by a god. How do KNOW that it was the work of your "God", maybe Thor, or Zeus? or maybe several gods.

Oh, wait I know. The bible SAYS it was your "God", so therefore it HAS to be true.

But why is YOUR holy book so much more accurate than that of othe religions? Oh wait I know: Because it says so.

BTW, while Jesus MAY have existed, there's no proof that he really did. All accounts of him were written long after the time of his alleged existence.

As a secular Jew, I don't force my opinion on others. Why can't Chrisitian fundamentalists reciprocate? And don't say that they don't try to impose their beliefs on everybody else. I am just one of many who've experienced their rudeness time and time again.

 

Because the existence of a God is not something that can be proven. It is something that has to be experienced. Just like love. You can't prove it on paper. It's something that has to be felt and experienced.

And yes, sickness is "among the earth's wonderful things created". Can you imagine how much more overpopulated the world would be if there was no sickness and no disease?

 

We have seemingly tread water on yet another discussion forum which has a plethora of Fallen Angels.

 

I'm not talking about creation proving anything...I'm just saying you've never come across something so serene in nature that you have to give God props! Get out of your 14,000,000,000 day old science book and live a little.

You know what who cares. Like I'm going to loose any sleep over you not being able to prove God exisits.

WHAT??? ARE? YOU? SMOKING? So what, nothing beyond the time of something being written ever happened?

As talking to you, a secular Jew, it sure feels like you're trying to force your secularisms on me. Maybe you should try P&R, I bet you'd love the seculartastic threads over there.

 

so we aren't going to talk about garth brooks?

 

Chris Gaines?

 

1. There is a forum for religion.
2. I purposely do not go there because of this nutball crap.
3. Where is a ban stick when I need one?
4. Are you alive or dead? If Alive see 5
5. Do not worry about feb. 7 th as you are still alive.

 

This thread has been reported for being in the wrong section. It will be moved if/when the mods feel it needs to be moved.

 

You're right, buffalo, everything does die, including people, plants, animals, planets, and stars, because that's the natural and evolutionary order of things, and overpopulation is not.

But according to the bible, people die because Adam and Eve (and all of mankind) would have lived forever, but they sinned by being convinced by a talking snake to eat an apple. So now, not only people die, but as previously mentioned so do other forms of life. Why? How did they sin?

So what's the reason we die? Biblical original sin or natural prevention of overpopulation. You can't have it both ways.

As for "experiencing" God, then the millions of people in parts of the world who have never been introduced to Western religions should nevertheless also "experience" this same supreme being. But they don't. Instead they commune with the deity/ deities on which they were raised.

Get my head out of the science book? No wat,timdss. My science book is much more elegant and satisfying than your book of fables. And what are you talking about "beyond time of something being written..." According to the biblical myth, the world is supposed to be only about 5,000 years old. The last time I looked, "5,000" is an actual number and "years" is an actual measurement of time.

Finally, just how I am forcing my secularisms on you? In case you didn't notice, this is a forum, not a choir. And I'm not the one who started this thread in the first place. But, hey, we Jews get blamed for everything anyway, so why not include that as well?