What would Jesus do?

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  1. Hon Daddy Dad

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    #21
    Cheap, you misunderstand what I meant by the two most important commandments. The two most important commandments are clearly outlined by Jesus in several parts of the new testament. These are above all else and there is no salvation if you do not follow them.

    This also is an interesting passage and does not apply solely to money, it applies to anything that you love more than God including, war, dogma etc:

     
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    #22

    There was a thread on here before that showed the similarities of the new testament with many other religions, from antient egypt to muslim etc.
    Same story
    Birth
    Death
    Resurrection
    The details were practically identical too.
    The New Testament was a good book, but was a reprint!
     
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    #23
    yes. This I agree is what he did say. However, who really is loving God with their whole mind, heart and soul? Some say they are but are not acting on it.

    Also, there are many who love their neighbour like they love themselves. But disobey God. Where will these one's stand when it comes to judgment day?

    What I am getting at is we should be doing a lot more wider reading when we quote from scriptures before making a firm statement.
     
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    #24
    The only opportunity to fulfil each of these commandments is in each moment. Each moment you love God with their whole mind, heart and soul, and love your neighbour likewise, you fulfil these commandments.

    Each moment your mind is elsewhere, attached or averted to other ideas and things, you break these commandments.

    These are the two most difficult commandments to keep.
     
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    #25
    jesus would also not lie about wmd's and al queda being in iraq and go back and forth as to who to blame for that lie.
     
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    #26
    Trust me, i know:D as my mind wanders way too much for its own good.
    I see way to many extremist from all religions sit up there on their thrones dressed in fine garments , controlling the airwaves and what they want us to think and feel and believe and proclaiming themselves as men of god. For pete's sake people jesus rode into jerusalem on a donkey!!!!
    Imagine the king of kings humbling himself this way. This is what drives me everytime i see a MAJOR LIE that ends up killing hundreds of thousands of people being perpetrated on the masses.
     
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    #27
    Whoa! I don't see it that way and it's too hard in this system of things to be focussed 100% on doing these things. You would pop a vein in your head just thinking about it. Hence, why God knows we are all imperfect and also gave us the means of asking for forgiveness through heartfelt prayer and the ransom sacrifice of God's Son, Jesus. It's our intentions to strive to keep doing these things which God looks for in all of us. Doing his will is the utmost of importance. In other words, doing it HIS way via his guidance and directions and from the teachings from his Son.

    I agree wholeheartedly. Does not mean we have failed if this happens.
     
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    #28
    I disagree actually. It's the only way to salvation. In my own unhumble opinion most are mistaken about their own salvation. You cannot serve two masters or worship idols. This includes your own ego. It's your own ego that prevents you from fulfilling the two most important commandments in each moment.
     
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    #29
    Hang on a sec. You are bringing in other scriptures and other meanings. You must be careful about these things and test them against other scriptures to make sure of their true teachings. One's own ego is determined on knowledge and experience. We run with our ego's all the time. It's impossible for us as humans to do otherwise. However, that's not to say we can learn and improve our egos. God accepts our asking for forgiveness for as long as we strive our best not to keep doing what we do wrong. He knows we are imperfect and we make mistakes many times, sometimes intentionally and sometimes not. regardless, it really depends on our heart condition and whether or not we are willing to give in and repent or not.
     
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    #30
    Ego is not referred to but it is alluded to... blessed are the meek.

     
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    #31
    OK. So you can paste scriptures. I can do this too. What are you trying to say?

    Try reading Ps 37:10-11. That's a different take on the meek and where they will be.
     
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    #32
    I merely put them there because you implied there was no precedent for such an idea in the scriptures. Read the rest of these. Its simply saying that pumping your own ego up is not the way.

    Now you show me where Jesus says that having pride and ego is good and will give you a ticket to the kingdom of heaven.
     
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    #33
    Is cheap selecting bits of the bible that support what he already believes and ignoring the rest again?
     
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    #34
    I can't show you that because it is not a Bible teaching. Neither is being meek and mild. I don't have a heavenly calling. That calling is for those who prove themselves worthy and who will be responsible to rule over the earth as kings and priests. Just because I have a firm belief in God and Jesus, does not mean I will be going to heaven.

    I am not the person that pumps up my own ego (in case that is what you are implying. If you are, then you would be judging others.). I try my best to be respectful to others, no matter how hard that can be at times.

    These teachings from Jesus are principles and they are for paying attention to God's Kingdom. One would have to have a good understanding of what God's Kingdom is. Daniel 2:44 speaks a lot about that and it goes in harmony with the Lord's prayer in Matthew 6:9-10.

    At least I select some bits of the Bible to discuss. You, on the other hand rebuke the entire book and label it a fairy story.
     
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    #35
    I don't know if I would use that to mean ego. Meek is an interesting word. Jesus was meek being that he could have easily taken down the whole roman army in an instant, yet remained in control of his power.

    Just in case you were not aware cheapseo is a Jehovah witness. Not sure what you believe, but that might give you some insight into how he views scripture.
     
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    #36
    That's right, I do.
     
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    #37
    Stox maybe u can try to do that but can you dismiss intelligent design that easily? I would think the great lie that society used to tell is that life and the universe came about by random chance, which we all know now is impossible(too many variables involved).
     
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    #38
    I don't mean to be disrespectful or judgemental to you if that is how it appears and apologize if it appears so. I am not a Christian but I do believe the more you follow what Jesus says the happier you will be in life and the easier your life will be.

    It's each persons own ego that blocks them from having a much better life. Everything is available in abundance.

    That's my intellectual understanding of the situation, not a reflection or a claim of my own lifestyle.
     
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    #39
    debunked, reference to the meek was only the beginning. Multiple times throughout the Gospels Jesus tells a parable them summarizes it with the words, 'whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.'

    Therefore its a key teaching of Jesus that you should humble your own ego. I believe the reason its a key teaching is because it makes it easy to fulfil the two most important commandments which are to love God and others.

    If you focus on satisfying the whims of your ego then you get distracted and this prevents you from fulfilling each of these commandments in each moment.
     
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    #40
    Hon i wish everything were available in abundance for everyone on this earth but unfortunately it isnt so in many 3rd world countries. there is an imabalance in wealth on this earth and if i ever become rich 99% of my money will be going towards helping to correct this imbalance.
    Too many starving mouths, too many homeless people, too much suffering. If each person on this earth made one small contribution(whether monetary or otherwise), imagine what a beautiful place this planet would be.:)
     
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