Gods that Christians Dont Believe in.....AND Gods that Atheists Dont Believe in

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  1. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #21
    Ok good point and tomorrow i will quote scripture also to back my belief, and leave it at that:D.
     
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    #22
    I am surprised to see,people from the developed countries,still not able to find the real God.
    As concerned to me I have found "Jesus Christ" as the real "God" and the "Saviour".You will know it when you accept Him ,Taste and see that the Lord is Good and He is so real to you.I may not be able to express my opinions / feelings .But one thing is sure that Jesus is God.
    Plz Dont waste your life as atheist,and loose from eternity and heaven
     
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    iul Well-Known Member

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    #23
    do you understand why you don't believe in all the other gods? It's because it makes no sense. I think believeing in your god makes no sense either
     
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    #24
    They won't answer the question iul, because if they do it would totally validate an atheists reason for rejecting a belief in their god as nonsensical and infantile.

    Instead of saying why they reject all other gods they will continue to emphasise why they haven't rejected their own god.
     
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    #25
    Who exactly are all these people??
     
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    iul Well-Known Member

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    #26
    you and your fellow believers. Stox does have a point though.
     
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    #27
    So, you are categorising all who have a belief in God to be exactly the same in mind?
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #28
    First of all iul, to believe in the existence of any god you need to realize that there is a chance that god exists.
    Ill give you your first step. Do you truely believe , as a logical person that this whole universe could have come into existence by random chance? Im asking you to think using your logical reasoning.
    The chances of this are absolutely zero.
    Now that we have solved I have made the case that there is a chance(no matter how big or small we all may feel it may be) that god can exist.

    If you feel that this universe can exists in the state that is currently exists in with the impossible probability that is exists with all of these universal laws in place by purely RANDOM chance please explain how to me .
    Im all ears:)))))
     
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    #29
    It seems to me that the point is: If there is a god, why one?
     
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    #30
    It does not make sense having more than one God. God having perfect main qualities of power, wisdom, justice and love, there is no need for other Gods. The Bible testifies to this point. There are numerous examples in the Bible that other Gods don't exist at all because they (other Gods) are 100% powerless. God (through his prophets) gave believers of other Gods plenty of opportunities to prove that they have power and do exist. Each time was a complete and utter failure. Leaving those believers (of other Gods) no choice but to abandon their beliefs.

    I am called upon by many atheists to abandon my beliefs but I refuse because I see and feel God's existence in many ways. I am not talking about miracles or sightings either. The evidence before me is inexcusable that God does exist, and there is only one of him, there is no other (Isaiah 46:8-11 "Remember this, that YOU people may muster up courage. Lay it to heart, YOU transgressors. 9 Remember the first things of a long time ago, that I am the Divine One and there is no other God, nor anyone like me; 10 the One telling from the beginning the finale, and from long ago the things that have not been done; the One saying, ‘My own counsel will stand, and everything that is my delight I shall do’; 11 the One calling from the sunrising a bird of prey, from a distant land the man to execute my counsel. I have even spoken [it]; I shall also bring it in. I have formed [it], I shall also do it.")
     
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    #31
    So the answer is 'because that bible says so'...
     
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    #32
    in this case
    I think for this particluar case believers are very likely to have a similar position. Anyway, why are you changing the subject?
    I'd say that's highly improbable. What would be the purpose of creating us? Was he bored? Does he need worshipping for his ego? Why is there so much suffering? Why isn't he regularly communicating with us? But I have to admit there is a chance there is some sort of creator. But if there is such a creator do you actually believe that there is a religion on earth that got it right about everything about that god? Because each one of them claim they're the true one

    Yes, I truly believe this universe could have come into existance by chance. I don't see how you can rule this out as absolutely impossible.

    yes, there is a chance there is some sort of creator but the universe randomly coming into existence is just as possible

    for how long do humans have real science? A century? A century and a half maybe? I can't answer your question at the moment with 100% certainty that's true. Give it a couple millenia of true science going on and we might have the answer.

    But a 2000 years old book isn't exactly bullet proof either when it comes to providing answers about the universe. Besides, why is your belief on how the world came into existence any more likely than what the hindus, the ancient greeks or the scientologists believe?

    Why does believeing that xenu sent evil spirits to capture the earth (or whatever scientologists believe) sound any more wackier to you than god creating the world in seven days and creating people after his own image to warship him and sending his son (or whatever you believe about Jesus) to erase people's sins and then that guy reviving and floating to heaven(or whatever the bible sais it happened).

    Don't you see the irony in calling what other people believe false when you're just as likely as they are to get it completely wrong?

    yeah, the classic circular reasoning:
    Q: How do you knoe god exists?
    A: well, it sais so in the bible
    Q: but how do you know what the bible sais is true?
    A: well, because god tells us it's true
     
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    #33
    You obviously did not read my other post that answered this question directly.

    @ iul

    I am not changing the subject. You went along with what stOx stated and I was responding to both of you collectively.
     
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    iul Well-Known Member

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    #34
    why haven't you adressed the issue he raised?

    your whole answer is basicly "because the bible sais so"

    =we know god has perfect qualities from the bible

    =the bible sais so

    =the evidence god exists is the bible saying so
     
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    #35
    cheap my point is proven by the fact that we are on page 2 of this thread and not one of you have answered the question yet. The only attempts at answering we have seen are nothing more that people saying why they believe in the god they chose and people making the case for the existence of god.

    The question was; Do you understand why you have rejected all other gods.
     
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    #36
    Did you not read what I stated here in this thread?

    I rejected all other gods because they have no power at all. They are something that people believe in with no basis or foundation for why. I believe in the only true God for what he has done in the past, what he is doing now and what he will do in the future.

    I see how God has influenced people to do things his way and how that completely changes their lives for the better. No other gods exist that can do this very thing.
     
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    #37
    So you understand why we disbelieve in your god?
     
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    #38
    Of course I understand why. It was prophecied many times in the Bible why as well. Don't forget I was an atheist for 30 years. Does not mean you can't re-evaluate your thinking. However, only you can do that. I can only invite you to.
     
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    #39
    as can i only do for you.

    If only you use the same critical analysis and logical thought for the judeo christian cult as you do for the other multitude of fabricated sky daddies.
     
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    #40
    Still resolving to name calling huh? No wonder no one listens to you. Arrogance and rudeness is by no means a virtue.
     
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