Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest American for sitting with a man

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    Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother for sitting with a man

    A 37-year-old American businesswoman and married mother of three is seeking justice after she was thrown in jail by Saudi Arabia's religious police for sitting with a male colleague at a Starbucks coffee shop in Riyadh.

    Yara, who does not want her last name published for fear of retribution, was bruised and crying when she was freed from a day in prison after she was strip-searched, threatened and forced to sign false confessions by the Kingdom's “Mutaween” police.

    Her story offers a rare first-hand glimpse of the discrimination faced by women living in Saudi Arabia. In her first interview with the foreign press, Yara told The Times that she would remain in Saudi Arabia to challenge its harsh enforcement of conservative Islam rather than return to America.

    “If I want to make a difference I have to stick around. If I leave they win. I can't just surrender to the terrorist acts of these people,” said Yara, who moved to Jeddah eight years ago with her husband, a prominent businessman.

    Her ordeal began with a routine visit to the new Riyadh offices of her finance company, where she is a managing partner.

    The electricity temporarily cut out, so Yara and her colleagues — who are all men — went to a nearby Starbucks to use its wireless internet.

    She sat in a curtained booth with her business partner in the café's “family” area, the only seats where men and women are allowed to mix.

    For Yara, it was a matter of convenience. But in Saudi Arabia, public contact between unrelated men and women is strictly prohibited.

    “Some men came up to us with very long beards and white dresses. They asked ‘Why are you here together?'. I explained about the power being out in our office. They got very angry and told me what I was doing was a great sin,” recalled Yara, who wears an abaya and headscarf, like most Saudi women.

    The men were from Saudi Arabia's Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, a police force of several thousand men charged with enforcing dress codes, sex segregation and the observance of prayers.

    Yara, whose parents are Jordanian and grew up in Salt Lake City, once believed that life in Saudi Arabia was becoming more liberal. But on Monday the religious police took her mobile phone, pushed her into a cab and drove her to Malaz prison in Riyadh. She was interrogated, strip-searched and forced to sign and fingerprint a series of confessions pleading guilty to her “crime”.

    “They took me into a filthy bathroom, full of water and dirt. They made me take off my clothes and squat and they threw my clothes in this slush and made me put them back on,” she said. Eventually she was taken before a judge.

    “He said 'You are sinful and you are going to burn in hell'. I told him I was sorry. I was very submissive. I had given up. I felt hopeless,” she said.

    Yara's husband, Hatim, used his political contacts in Jeddah to track her whereabouts. He was able to secure her release.

    “I was lucky. I met other women in that prison who don't have the connections I did,” she said. Her story has received rare coverage in Saudi Arabia, where the press has been sharply critical of the police.

    Yara was visited yesterday by officials from the American Embassy, who promised they would file a report.

    An embassy official told The Times that it was being treated as “an internal Saudi matter” and refused to comment on her case.

    Tough justice

    — Saudi Arabia’s Mutaween has 10,000 members in almost 500 offices

    — Ahmad al-Bluwi, 50, died in custody in 2007 in the city of Tabuk after he invited a woman outside his immediate family into his car

    — In 2007 the victim of a gang rape was sentenced to 200 lashes and six years in jail for having been in an unrelated man’s car at the time. She was pardoned by King Abdullah, although he maintained the sentence had been fair

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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    Bravo, and this is our ally country. What a jokeeeeeeeeeeeee. maybe they need another kiss bbuutt visit from bush to let that lady go.
     
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    Don't be fooled by the Mullahs and Wahabis
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    I can't believe all that drama, just because she sat next to a man at Starbucks. Maybe if she was giving him a lap dance and spilling her mocha latta everywhere, then the police could tell her to keep it down. I'm glad I don't live in an islamic country.
     
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    bogart Notable Member

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    The woman was stripped searched for sitting next to a man. So much for protecting her virture.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    I think this is bringing shame to Islamic laws, they really need to get a better PR firm to help them improve on their images.

     
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    bogart Notable Member

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    Islamic laws are right out of dark ages. Imagine opening a cold can of Bud on a hot day and having one of these idiots smack you with a stick and spill your beer. You know we are going to fight.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    If you are in Saudi Arabia, I suggest that you surrender that can, you can always get a new cold can of Bud, but I am not sure about your life though :)

    Come on those religious police are fanatics, and it is not one to one fight......

     
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    That is what Saudi Arabia does, not what Islam says. Some people just can't figure the difference.

    Stupid shit happens everywhere, some even under your nose.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    Actually what they are doing is it really Islamic laws or Saudi Arabia Interpretation of Islamic laws? LeoSeo maybe you can enlighten us on what Islam says and what Saudi did.

     
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    Adultery is a crime according to Islamic law. Considering a woman and a man sitting in a coffee as adultry or any other form of crime is Saudi interpretation or particulary the officers subculture, whatever.

    People won't even turn your head and look at you for doing that in my country, which is a Muslim one as well.
     
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    WTF? This is adding insult to injury!
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    They actually consider those two sitting in Starbucks as adultery? Goodness that is very new to me. Bogart hear that? Better surrender your cold nice can of Bud, who knows what crimes you may be deemed to have committed :)

     
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    The religious police there must have dirty minds.

    The victim thought she was just doing business with co-workers.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    What "business" are you thinking about :)
    There should be some rein on the religious police, I thought that Saudi Arabia being one of USA closest ally should be easier to influence than the likes of China. But I only saw Bush condemning China for human rights violations. Not looking into his own backyard and his "friends". Of course China is by no means a model example of human rights but IMHO Bush lost the moral authority to condemn others given what was being done at Guantonomo Bay.

     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    Are you an American citizen? I am curious because a lot of Ron Paul's support seem to come from non-American's.

    By the way, Saudi Arabia is hardly "one of USA closest ally".
     
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    Karl Rove.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    You're kidding right?
     
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    Nope I am not an American. Let me quantify my statement a bit more, Saudi Arabia is one of USA closest ally "in the Middle East".

     
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    I don't think that is necessary.
     
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