Ron Paul Beats McCain, Huckabee!

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  1. guru-seo

    guru-seo Peon

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    #22
    So how am I wrong when I said Paul isn't winning any state? A close second is exactly what the Patriots did today, which is lose.

    Uh yeah, I did know that chief. For example, in Nevada if I recall correctly Obama won more delegates even though Clinton won the popular votes. No matter which way you slice it, Paul hasn't yet won any state and won't.

    Did I say anything about what it meant? Are you completely incapable of reading what was actually written rather than what you can argue?

    I simply stated that a lot of Paul supporters were making a huge deal about RP possibly winning Maine's poll and then when he didn't even come close, they fall back on the fact that it was a straw poll and start making other idiot predictions and cling to the illusion that Paul stands a chance. Once again I'll ask, when are you going to admit defeat? It's a simple question I've asked several times and yet you can't answer it.
     
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    #23
    Does anyone have 1191 bound delegates yet? No? Oh, then he still stands a chance.

    I'll admit defeat when a candidate has 1191 bound delegates before the convention OR when the national convention has concluded.

    Losers quit when the going gets rough. Washington never quit at Valley Forge, why should we quit before Super Tuesday?
     
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    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    #24
    Guerilla, you know better than me, how many states have BOUND delegates as of February 3rd, 2008? Three, four? Yes, of three or four states, Paul has not won yet. Yawn.
     
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    #25
    The big bound states are NY & Texas iirc. California is proportional by Congressional District, and Florida lost half of it's delegates.

    I think Utah is bound as well.

    But it doesn't matter, as long as Romney/Huckabee take 5 or 6 states. Romney's outperforming McCain in the caucuses, and we're on track for a brokered convention. And on that second ballot, a lot of delegates will be unbound, and anything can happen. Particularly when so many delegates are Paulunteers.

    I think Romney will take Mass., Connecticut and Utah for sure. Huckabee might take Tennessee and Arkansas, perhaps Georgia. Anywhere Paul comes in second, will likely be a Romney state, like Alaska or Colorado.
     
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  6. WeRASkitzzo

    WeRASkitzzo Peon

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    #26
    I understand no one has the required bound delegates yet and yes, technically Paul has a chance. In practice, he's done. I disagree with your predictions about Super Tuesday but we'll see soon enough. Even if the delegates become unbound, it's not going to benefit Paul. It would just be the party deciding between Mit and John.

    Thank you for finally answering my question though. I wasn't suggesting that you give up, I just wanted to know when to look forward to not having to hear from the Paulites. Like I said, I fully expect him to run as an independent when he doesn't get the nomination. Then we'll have to deal with all the same crap about people not letting him in the debates and how he still has a chance when in fact he doesn't really.
     
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    #27
    Don't worry buddy, when Insane McCain or Hillary Clinton become President you'll be a very happy bunny and the USA will be fine. :eek:
     
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    #28
    Lol I wouldn't go that far. I despise Billary and don't know which McCain would actually show up if he got elected. I'm just sick of having to hear so much online about a candidate that doesn't really stand a chance (not to mention is a nut job).
     
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    #29
    One of them two scumbags will 100% for sure be the next President.

    Who are you backing bro? You keep going on and on and on and on and on about how Ron Paul hasn't got a chance (which is a fact) but so far you haven't even said who you are backing.

    And really dude sort yourself out Paul is not a nutjob. Did GTech tell you to say that?
     
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    #30
    The campaign may end at some point, but the ideas won't. You'll continue to hear about getting rid of the income tax, shrinking government, enforcing the rule of law and bringing our military home.

    It's not a cult of personality. It's a revolution.
     
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    #31
    I do remember what it was like to be young, idealistic and hopelessly unrealistic. ;)

    If delegates are the way to win and the current pledged delegates are any indication of the end-result, then RP has a long way to go.

    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#R

    It seems like I have to keep reminding you guys that it is not possible for Ron to do most of the the things he wants to do without creating a dictatorship. Many of his ideas may sound good, but the President does not have the authority to make those changes.
     
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    #32
    The results posted online are not accurate. They are merely projections.

    Iowa, Nevada and Maine (from that list, add Louisiana) have not held their conventions yet. The delegate allocations are based on pro-rating the presidential preference polls, which means it is absolutely bogus. Most folks who show up to the presidential preference polls do not stay the extra couple hours to vote for or become delegates.

    For example, Maine. All of the delegates are unbound. CNN is calling them pledged. That's completely and totally false. Even if Romney got all 19, they could show up in St. Paul in September, and vote for McCain, Huckabee or Paul. There is no requirement that they vote based on the preference poll.

    I'm getting really tired of telling people in this thread, that what big media is telling you, is not correct, and even a rudimentary understanding of the process would make that clear.

    Please read the Green Papers if you want to understand the process, state to state, and how the delegates are selected.
    http://www.thegreenpapers.com/
    He can pull the troops out now, unless Congress passes a declaration of war for Iraq/Afghanistan. He can pull troops out of Japan, Korea and Europe.

    And if he was elected, he would have a mandate from the people to pursue a large portion of his platform with Congress.
     
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    #33
    Ron Paul Sweeps Northern Maine Caucuses
    http://www.mainemediaresources.com/ffj_020308ronpaul.htm

     
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    #34
    Ron Paul Beats McCain in Maine Caucus, Primed to Win Over 1/3 of State Delegates
    http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2008/02/ron-paul-beats.html

     
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    #36
    We have patience. You never know what the 10-term Congressman maverick has in store for the elections... :D

    He is certainly going to be the King Maker, I have no doubts about it.
     
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    #38
    Based upon what, my friend? His performance thus far has been much less than stellar.

    Like I said earlier, I do remember what it was like to be young, idealistic and hopelessly unrealistic.
     
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    #39
    How are the Iowa #s complete, when they haven't had their convention yet?

    Same with North Dakota. Alaska. Colorado. Minnesota. Louisiana.

    You keep referring to CNN like it's accurate, when I have already covered that it is not. If you care to dispute that, let's run through each state's delegate process. Pick one, and explain to me how they came to the #s shown.

    Only a fool would associate himself with disinfo. Congratulations.
     
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