I have reached the conclusion that Black Hat SEO isn't illegal afterall

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Hmm, yeah fuck you.

Wait a minute, white hat SEO doesn't mean making a better website?

What the hell? If you put in some quality content, and optimize your website in a positive, search engine friendly manner then that will HELP visitors find a GOOD source of information. You are actually optimizing your website to appear as a good source of information for the visitors, you know?

Let me help you to some logic.

Search Engine Optimization = Optimization for Search Engines
Search Engines = Traffic
SE Traffic = Real people, users
Search Engine Optimization = Optimization for POTENTIAL TRAFFIC, ie Users THROUGH a Search Engine.

What I mean when I said white hat was that it was the right, search engine approved way, of optimizing your website, HOWEVER Black Hat is NOT an approved way of ranking high for your terms. The point of the rant is that even when Search Engines disapprove of Black Hat practices, they let many websites past who are blatantly exploiting the Black Hat techniques, if you don't find it wrong then may God help you.

Adding of quality content is one thing, adding of a SPLOG is another. While quality content will only help your website get on top, a splog will most likely get you banned (not happening too often though these days, point of the thread), the little guy getting trodden is most probably the owner of a website that is not having the quality your website has for that term (in the case of White hat SEO) however, the little guy getting trodden by a BLACK HAT website, certainly deserves solace.

I couldn't comprehend your post properly, but I'd like to tell you that I am not a Black Hat SEO, however, it seems like it might just be the way to go.

Oh dude, sig links is not an illegitimate way of gaining links dude, you know dude, it comes under white hat dude, no websites are penalized if they do this dude, dude i am not promoting a one page wonder website at all dude, if you actually bothered to spend the time to look into the websites dude, you'd have realised dude that they are actually websites with quality content dude, the people actually go in there and get benefitted dude, so before you decide to bash me for Black Hat dude, check through your facts dude, or you're gonna get pwned real bad dude.

Defacing is such a temporary way of getting links that it doesn't even qualify as a link building technique, what the hell are you on "SEOGuy"? Didn't I mention crystal clear in the first post that the word "illegal" was a TYPO? You couldn't understand that? LEARN TO READ.

and I already mentioned the methods in question in a post above, read up.

True that.

LEARN TO READ FOR GOD'S SAKE! The word "illegal" was a TYPO! It was ILLEGITIMATE not ILLEGAL.

But yeah I agree anyway.

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yeah all this back and forth is great about black hat techniques.......
the search engines have changed recently....for a reason, quality filters...they are being tweaked as some are out of wack...but they will catch up and fix the glitch soon and people will get banned for black hat stuff. Remember there is no law saying it is illegal but there is also no law or god given right for you to be in google or yahoo or msn. so consider that and all you blackhat considers....be careful google is now a registar with internic so even if you put privacy on your domain registration that is only to the public not to the other licensed registrars!
I agree with the guy who said all all seo is really kinda black hat because you are doing something manipulate or game the system which not the way it was intended to be used...they (google) wrote the algorithm thinking of the way college students quote authorities in their thesis papers giving them the props as the authorities as more people quote them more natural props. relating that with the web natural link love would promote the authorities above the pupils or wannabes in the rank. now that people can game the system the are giving more credit to trusted sites links.....so for your splogs and forum post you get less credit......but yes your signature is a form of spam ( I'd say it's gray hat because it is allowed by site to promote traffic) but it was not placed on digital point by the digital point webmaster as he thought your site was great, it is placed by you as many times as you wanted........if you want to make everything black and white then lets not kid ourselves.
now if that didn't make you guys think consider this.......you use the word immoral, unethical and some even said God...............the search engines are machines. how can you be unethical to a machine? machines cannot feel or have morals or ethics.

 

Unfair? It's not a game man. It's business. You could do it to, and you don't. Blackhats accept the risk involved, that's their handicap. Your handicap is a lack of their techniques.
And yes, I'm proud when I get to the top. My blackhat system has more code, and has more effort than anything 99% of the members here have ever put out.

...don't use it on an established domain. Bans are worked into the business model.

Actually, the search engines have been neglecting blackhat lately in favor of going after link buyers. Blackhat content is designed to actually appeal to these quality filters. I've actually interviewed at a major search engine; I can assure you they're nowhere close yet.

Yeah fine. I can pump out 20 domains a day if I want, complete with subdomains. And they take over a month to ban in many cases. Normally takes 2 days of being indexed to make up costs, the rest is just gravy.

Congratulations, you're 100% wrong. Do your research. They cannot get at private registration information. No registrar could. Otherwise, don't you think spamhaus and the rest of the anti-email spam organizations would've established themselves as one to get at the information? Of course they would've. They have the cash. Do your research properly.

Survey says...wrong.
You read half the information wherever you got that. The only way the splogs end up giving sites more credit is if they actually link to the original source, which many do in hopes of getting a trackback. Oftentimes those links are edited out after a week though. Google's dupe content filters are a joke.

Very true.
Here's the bottom line for everyone with ethical worries. Google itself is unethical. They come into sites, completely uninvited, and copy the content. They then proceed to profit off that content. If you want them to not do so, you actually have to opt-out. If anyone thinks that's an ok business model, turn off your spam e-mail filters, because it's the same thing.
Now, I have no problem with them coming into my sites. But if they are going to do whatever they think they can with the content to profit the most they possibly can, why would I do anything different? Why would I not try and profit every way I can?
They come into my house/site completely uninvited, hell if they get to make the rules.

 

Hey Dear don't say this!!!
Black Hat SEO is totally illegal way to promoting sites. It may cause your site banned or may be you would have to pay pannalty in any form.
So dear !! beware of Black Hat SEO.

 

Jesus christ. Did you read anything before posting?
It's NOT ILLEGAL. Google is NOT law.
And who the hell cares if ya get banned? You just make 5 more!

 

I think there is something to learn from either side of that invisible fence.

SEO rules are never static, the sands are always shifting. (would it be a pun to say dynamic?)

Do what you feel is OK for you to do.. it will not take you long to find out when you have cross the line a little to far.

 

Seriously, whatever business you are in.. offline or online there are bound to be people who may try to go around things. There isnt alot you can do about it.

So i say suck it up or beat them on the SERP

 

OK dear I agree with u that Google is not law....But tell me one thing..why every website developer or promoter wish to get indexed in Google only?...hmm.... One should have to obey all rules and regulation if he/she want to get indexed his/her site in Google .

 

We all have our own ideas about black hat SEO, I personally think some practices do cross the line, such as using cloaking for porn and gambling,, and optimizing the page for innocent keywords, because lots of minors end up viewing this content..as for links in signatures and trading links, posting links,, it could be argued that any link posted by anyone who is connected to that website is spam - because it's not a genuine vote for that site - so black hat SEO just pushes these boundaries further by getting links anywhere possible, although for those that don't know what they are doing this can have a negative effect, so it could be argued that everyone in every forum with a signature is a spammer !!

 

One should have to obey the rules if they want to STAY indexed in Google.
Back when Search Engines were new, nobody liked the way they did business. They came in, duplicated content, and made money off of it without asking permission. It was a very frowned upon business. And the reality of that hasn't changed. They can come into my house uninvited and try to make money off of me, but hell if I'm going to let them set the rules.
When you break there rules, getting banned is a risk you take. In the same way I can "opt-out" of their business plan by robots.txt or a deinclusion request, they can opt of mine by banning me. Some people call it a risk, I call it a business model. It's really equal exchange for both sides.

1)No self respecting blackhat trades links, or uses signature links[for blackhat sites] when we post on messageboards. We're all quite paranoid about anyone knowing which sites we work on.
2)Optimizing naughty content on innocent pages hasn't existed for several years now. Ever wonder how Matt Cutts got hired? Getting rid if that problem was it.
3)I can see the issue of messageboard spam w/ illicit content hitting minors, but I'm going to be quite frank with you. By the time I, or any[male] I know was old enough to be on a message board, we were looking at porn of our own free will.
Beyond that, really, look at the text of the next messageboard/blog spam you see for adult sites. It is always VERY explicit, and anyone old enough to be unsupervised online is old enough to know what they're looking at.

The fact is, no one in adult or gambling wants to promote to minors. Via SEO, link spam, or anything else. Why? Minors don't have credit cards. Or if they do, mommy and daddy see the bill.

That said, I have never, and will never promote pornography. The most sexually explicit item I've ever promoted was a silk thong. And no, I'm not kidding. Actually sold extraordinarily well.

 

Porn traffic does not convert so well these days anyway - theres far to much free stuff on the net to the point that people are less willing to join adult membership sites, conversions go down each year, I think it peaked in 2002, now you are lucky to get one in 200 surfers to join -still though very profitable if you can get 2000 hits per day, the repeat subscriptions add up

 

Hey Guys !!! We all are professional here, and know the better way to do the things. Its ok if we have our own definition for Black and White. But at one point we all are same "Black Hat uses something different remarkable, that can not be caught by Search Engine ".

 

You are very funny....ok,,,,You answer me.....Don't you want to get indexed your site to Google???hmmm..??

 

Yes, in the same way Google wants to index/profit from my sites(whitehat included).
They profit off of me and enjoy it, I profit off of them and enjoy it.
If you disagree, I will submit this point to you:
After someone gets caught running a MFA(Made for Adsense) network using generated content, how come it takes multiple times before their adsense ID to be banned? Especially when so many people on DP here who make significantly less get banned for much tinier infractions? Google knows what kind of traffic the MFAers are sending and knows it was intentional...
Here's your answer: They want the money they get from them. They want to keep search engine to a moderate level, not eliminate them. So they selectively enforce TOS.
A lot of the people on DP who get banned for inane reasons meanwhile, are making what, $10 per day? 30? The financial incentive is not there for Google.

Google's business model is crap, and if I exploit their business model, that's not my problem. I never agreed to any rules, I never asked to be a part of their search engine, and I'm not going to let them decide how I run my business.