American Student goes to Palestine to help only to find out the truth

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  1. iggysick

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    #701
    I've checked every single link you've posted and couldn't find those "hundreds of thousands of muslims served in the SS". You simply inflating numbers to serve your propaganda like you did with claim that there was 100.000 bosnian Muslims serving in SS troops while there was 21,065 men at its peak and 10% of them where croats-chatolics. What you don't want to say that 100,000 bosnian Muslims died fighting AGAINST or where killed by german nazis, croatian nazis-ushtasas and serbian facist-chetnics. Post some facts instead of propaganda for a change.

    The Grand Mufti was convicted war criminal for war crimes he did but now I am curious where did you get that 100,000 number? Source?
    Also, I would like to see source where did you found out that he formed PLO.
    Also, I would like to see how Hamas and Hezbollah worship Hitler. Sorry, I won't take your word for it. Post some sources.
    Amazon.com distribute thousands of copies of Mein Kampf too. Is that mean they worship Hitler too?
     
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    #702
    Yeah... Amazon founder is a Nazi War Criminal, who wants to kill all Jews. What else could be the idea behind selling millions of copies of Mein Kampf in so many languages.

    He is spreading that HATE to every country in the world.
    bogart & debunked, Sign the Petition " Ban Amazon.com" :rolleyes:
     
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    #703
    Hitler said in December 1942, "I consider only the Muslims to be reliable...I see no danger in the establishment of purely Muslim units."

    It is well documented Amin Al Husseini the Uncle of Arafat and founder of the PLO headed the 13th Waffen Hanjar (or Handschar) SS division and was responsible for the deaths of 100,000 Jews.

    100,000 Bosnian Muslims volunteered to serve in both the 13th Waffen Hanjar, 23rd Bosnian Muslim Waffen SS Division “Kama”
    and 21st Waffen-Gebirgs Division der SS Skanderbeg (Albanische Nr. 1).

    70,000 Muslim Chechens, Balkars, Ingushi, Karachais, and Crimean Tartars served in the German forces.

    20,000 Muslim Crimean Tartar joined the Wehrmacht.

    3500 Muslim Indians served in the SS as well.

    The Turkestanisch Legion, consisted of Muslim volunteers from Central Asia, like Turkomans, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Kirghizs, Karakalpaks, and Tadjiks

    The Kaukasisch-Mohammedan Legion was from Caucasian Muslims volunteers, like Azeris, Daghestans, Chechens, Ingushes, and Lezghins.

    Another 250,000 muslim troops fought with the Nazis in the Vichy Army in North Africa.

    You don't see a connection Iggy? The Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini was the Uncle of Yasser Arafat.

    El Mufti was declared president of the Palestine National Council in Gaza in 1948

    http://books.google.com/books?id=fH...ts=feetG27OBq&sig=f4-MvARZ7wj1J-fDEJn7IqXZp40

    The PLO was created in Jerusalem in 1964, following a decision of the League of Arab States, with the first meeting of the Palestine National Council (PNC) .
     
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    #704
    Copy&past from some propaganda site is a lame. If it is best you can do you can stop right now. Funny,you posting about 100.000 bosnian Muslims again. :D

    I saw connection between Bush's grandfather and Hitler too so what's that prove? I've asked sources and you failed to post them as usual.
    For example, you claim that The Muslim Brotherhood has a nazi roots but you failed to provide any source for this. If you claim that they have nazi roots because they received some cash from nazis than we can agree that talibans have US roots because they had received cash from US during their fight against russians.
     
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    #705
    First of all can't you discuss anything without blaming it on Bush.

    The German scholar Matthias Küntze has documented the connection of the Muslim Brotherhood to the nazis in his book "JIHAD AND JEW-HATRED "

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/books/review/Goldberg-t.html?_r=1&ref=books&oref=slogin

     
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    #706
    So you want to dispute fact that Bush's grandfather helped Hitler? How is stating a fact "blaming it on Bush"? I am simply comparing two facts from a history. Using your logic Bushs policy have nazi roots.

    Again, isn't US policy "enemy of my enemy is my friend"? Funding enemy of your enemy isn't exactly sharing same ideology what you want to prove and fail every single time. Again, connection between US and talibans doesn't mean that they share same ideology or that talibans have US roots.
    You are the one trying here to imply that PLO is a what? Neo-nazis? All the time you are talking about some documents but yet somehow you fail to provide any of it and you fail to provide any source for your claims.
    I'm still waiting for sources for your claims included this quote:
     
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    #707
    see The Holocaust in Bosnia-Hercegovina, 1941-1945

    by Carl K. Savich (Carl Savich is a historian who teaches history at the college level. His articles have appeared on numerous websites and newspapers.)

    http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/006.shtml
     
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    #708
    I guess your are one of those people who believe in everything that fits into their vision of history and world. Carl Kosta Savich is a serb and we know why he needs show bosniaks as he showing them. Do I need to draw you that?
    An article from an single author is not even close to a fact so keep trying.
    Here's few of his articles (let's just establish how reliable this author is,shall we?):
    Srebrenica: The Destruction of Christian Churches and Assault on Christianity
    This dude saw "an assault on christianity" in Srebrenica while rest of sane world saw something completly diferent: Srebrenica massacre
    But he doesn't stop there! Oh no! In next article, Srebrenica: Executions and Mass Murders , among other stuff he claims also this:
    Another one of his articles: The CIA and Greater Albania: The Origins of the US Role in the Balkans and a quote from it:
    He sound like conspiracy nut to me.Bogart,if I were you before posting propaganda crap I would at least check what I post.
     
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    #709
    Bataillon Bergmann - Muslimische Freiwillige Der Wehrmacht - translation: Muslim Volunteers of the Wehrmact with youtube video

    http://dabble.com/node/26370354
     
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    #711
    Lets be real. There will 20,000 Muslim tartars from Crimea that joined the German army and the list goes on.
     
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    #712
    Lets be real and post some facts for a change. I won't take your word for it because it more than clear that you are more than willing to use crap propaganda sites to spread your propaganda. Carl Kosta Savich is probably cream of the cream! Let's quote him once again to see what he thinks about US:
    Nice source you have there indeed. :)
     
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    #713
    Muslim volunteer units in German forces from Soviet Russia

    Arabian volunteers

    Deutsch-Arabische Lehr Abteilung (Arabian Volunteers)
    Deutsch-Arabisches Bataillon Nr 845 (Arab Volunteers)
    Osttürkischer Waffen-Verband der SS or 1.Ostmuselmanisches SS-Regiment (Arabs, Turks and other Middle East volunteers)
    Freiwilligen-Stamm-Regiment 1 (Turks volunteers)
    Azerbaijani,Georgian and Armenians volunteers

    Armenische Legion (Armenian volunteers)
    30.Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (russische Nr. 2)(Armenians, Tatars Volunteers units)
    Azerbajdjanische Legion or Kaukasisch-Mohammedanische Legion (Azerbaijani volunteers)
    Sonderverband Bergmann (Georgian and Azerbaijani Volunteers)
    Georgische Legion (Georgian volunteers but also included volunteers from other peoples of the region)
    Freiwilligen-Stamm-Regiment 1 (Georgians volunteers)
    Freiwilligen-Stamm-Regiment 2 (Armenians & Azerbaijanis)
    SS-Waffengruppe Georgien (Georgian volunteers)
    SS-Waffengruppe Aserbeidschan (Azeri volunteers)
    SS-Waffengruppe Armenien (Armenians volunteers)
    Waffen-Gruppe Aserbaijan(Azeri volunteers)
    I.Sonderverband Bergmann Battalion (Georgian volunteers)
    II.Sonderverband Bergmann Battalion (Azerbaijani volunteers)
    North Caucasian volunteers

    Kaukasischer-Waffen-Verband der SS or Freiwilligen Brigade Nordkaukasien (volunteers from the North Caucasus region)
    Nordkaukasische Legion (volunteers from the North Caucasus region)
    Freiwilligen-Stamm-Regiment 1 (North Caucasians volunteers)
    SS-Waffengruppe Nordkaukasus (North Caucasian volunteers)
    Central Asian volunteers

    16 (Turkistan) Infanterie-Division (Turkestani Volunteers)
    Muselmanischen SS-Division Neu-Turkistan (Turkestani volunteers)
    Turkestanische Legion (volunteers from Central Asia Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Turkomen, Dagestanis and Chechens).
    Böhler-Brigade (Turkestani volunteers)
    1.Turkestanisches-Arbeits-Bataillon (Turkestani volunteers)
    2.Turkestanisches-Arbeits-Bataillon (Turkestani volunteers)
    3.Turkestanisches-Arbeits-Bataillon (Turkestani volunteers)
    Turkestanisches-Arbeits-Ersatz-Bataillon (Turkestani volunteers)
    Waffen-Gruppe Turkistan (Central Asian volunteers)
    Tatar Volunteers

    SS-Waffengruppe Idel-Ural (Turkic volunteers from Volga/Ural area)
    Kalmukian volunteers

    Kalmüken Verband Dr. Doll (Kalmukian Volunteers)
    Abwehrtrupp 103 (Kalmukian Volunteers)
    Kalmücken-Legion or Kalmücken-Kavallerie-Korps (Kalmukian Volunteers)
    Tatars volunteers

    Waffen-Gebirgs-Brigade der SS (Tatar Nr. 1) (Tatarian Volunteers)
    30.Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (russische Nr. 2)(Armenians, Tatars Volunteers units)
    Wolgatatarische Legion (Volga Tatars but also of other volunteers from the region)
    Tataren-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment der SS (Crimean tatar volunteers)
    Waffen-Gruppe Krim (Tatar crimean volunteers)
    Schutzmannschaft Bataillone (Crimean Tatar volunteers)
    Cossack volunteers

    1.Kosaken-Kavallerie-Division (Volunteers from cossacks in Cherson, from February 1945 XV.Kosaken-Kavallerie-Korps
    Kosaken-Reiter-Brigade Kaukasus II (Caucasus Cossack Volunteers)
    Kuban-Kosaken-Reiter-Regiment 3 (Kuban Cossack volunteers)
    Don-Kosaken-Reiter-Regiment 5 (Don Cossack volunteers)
    Terek-Kosaken-Reiter-Regiment 6 (Terek Cossack volunteers)
    Kosaken-Artillerie-Regiment 2 (Caucasian Cossack volunteers)
    Sibirisches Kosaken-Reiter-Reigment 2 (Siberian Cossack volunteers)
    XV.Kosaken-Kavallerie-Korps (Kotelnikovo Cossack volunteers)
    Freiwilligen-Stamm-Regiment 5 (Cossack volunteers)
    Caucasian mixed volunteers unit

    Freiwilligen-Stamm-Division (Georgians, Turks, North Caucasians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis Volunteers)
    Caucasian, Central Asian, Krimean and Ural mixed volunteers

    Waffen-Gruppe Turkistan
    Waffen-Gruppe Idel-Ural
    Waffen-Gruppe Azerbaijan
    Waffen-Gruppe Krim

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskommissariat_Kaukasus
     
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    #714
    http://www.everyculture.com/Russia-Eurasia-China/Don-Cossacks-Religion-and-Expressive-Culture.html
    http://www.ualberta.ca/CIUS/announce/media/Media 2001/2001-12-03a.htm
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/am.html
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gg.html
    You are still far away from "hundreds of thousands". As I already said, I will not take your word for it. If you can't make a claim and back it up with reliable source don't do it at all. Posting just a list can impress someone who are not willing to check each individual unit and count how many of them was fighting for Hitler and how many of them were Muslims.
     
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    #715
    When are you going to start denying the holocaust?

    You've denied everything else.
     
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    #716
    I was wondering when will you pull that card because when you and people like you can't back up your claims with facts EACH SINGLE TIME you pull "you are anti-semite" card. Nope, you're not predictable at all. :rolleyes:

    I denied something? Where?
    As I can see I was only disputing propaganda crap you've posting here and can't back it up with facts. I don't deny that there was bosnian Muslims fighting for Hitler but if you claim that there was 100,000 of them: prove it or stop posting false numbers.
     
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    #717
    Are you accepting the holocaust happened?
     
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    Of course I do so please stop insulting me with that kind of questions.
     
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    #719
    So, your crap was disproved by Iggysick, so now you're playing this "Holocaust" card?

    You're using those millions of Jews killed by Hitler to propagate your crap propaganda and hate!

    You have no self-respect! YUCK!
     
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  20. Mia

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    #720
    I think the point was, that Hitler was no alone in the killing..
     
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