As you guys can all now see, it looks like every race and ethnicity is hearing ron pauls message of freedom and liberty. http://www.jews4ronpaul.org/home http://www.jews4ronpaul.org/advisors.html So much for the rumor mongers spreading bs that ron paul is a racist Quick gtech and team email them and tell them about ron paul and the john birch society. My guess is that they will laugh .
Walter Block, an economist is one of the leaders at that site. He's an Austrian economist and Mises member. You'll find most of the leaders on that site are tied to Paul through Von Mises and Murray Rothbard.
Are these the same self loathing Jews that support the Palestinians? http://members.aol.com/XianAnarch/1sam8.htm They quote I Samual 8 which they use to justify the idea that Israel should not exist. Since Ron Paul doesn't support Israel and neither do these "Jews," of course they support him. They believe if the US stops giving money to Israel that it will be destroyed and the Jews will no longer have a "king." I guess they didn't read the part of the OT when God chose kings to rule the Jews. The point of I Samual 8 is that God is warning them of the consequences of having a king. But since they really wanted one, God allowed it and would choose good kings to lead them as long as they obeyed Him. From their FAQ Hmmm... I guess not all Jews like the idea of the US not supporting Israel. Probably the Jews that don't hate themselves. So yes, Ron Paul is still a racist. It's sickening that these people exist, who calls themselves Jews no less, that would like to see Israel destoyed by people who would kill any Jews, even these that support Ron Paul, given the chance. The fact they even use the term Zionist is a big red flag.
Kalvin are you Jewish? I've already brought up that you seem to have Zionist views, but they seem to be the western Zionist views, say Christian Zionist or as one Israeli Zionist mentioned on the radio, American Jews who promote Israel in America but refuse to declare their support for Israel by moving there. I realize you are probably going to flip your lid on these questions based on past conversations we have had, but they are made seriously and honestly, trying to figure out where exactly you draw your religious imperative on this topic. Only a fool would believe that Israel could be destroyed with it's nuclear arsenal. It's total fear mongering and playing the victim role. Israel gets 1/3rd of the US aid that we provide the Arab nations that surround it. I'm pretty sure that Israel would be a lot stronger without the US intervening in the ME. If you're listening to the Arab rhetoric, and you should, because it is important to know your enemy, then you would know that America intervening only serves to promote the view that Israel controls the US. And yet Paul was one of only 2 (?) members of Congress who went against Reagan and supported the bombing of Saddam's Osirak nuclear plant. You're just spreading disinformation, and projecting opinions via strawmen against not only Ron Paul, but his Jewish supporters. Maybe it's time for you to listen to what ISRAELI Zionists have to say about US "assistance", instead of the wannabe Israelis living in the US, or the Christian Zionists with a guilt complex. Try Haaretz on a good day or Arutz Sheva.
Ron's not a racist, and his votes reflect that. Do you mean people like Murray Rothbard, Milton Friedman, Ludwig Von Mises, and Friedrich Hayek? Gimme a break. You're basically saying that some of the greatest Jewish economists in history, whom Paul has spoken for and written about, are traitors to the Jewish race.
Those people do exist. Are the people who are supporting Ron Paul some of them? Maybe. So we give enough money to Israel to justify the idea that they control us but 2x that amount to the arab world is just dandy and does not indicate any amount of control that they have over us. Considering that Muslims are blowing themselves up to kill buddhists it obviously doesn't take particulary good or even true allegations to get them to murder people. We give a lot of money to a lot of countries. If you were friends with someone but a bully didn't like them and started picking on you for being friends with them would you say that your friend is the problem? One tiny little country against the Arab world. Yeah, it's a real stretch to think that they could be destroyed. They lost in Lebanon. And that is why I seriously and honestly have you on ignore but am giving you the benefit of the doubt for the time being.
Trust me they didnt lose in lebanon, and they could have crushed hezbolla if they wanted to. they just didnt go full blast because of international opinion. Maybe they support ron paul because maybe he has the best policies for america? I know its a far stretch but he has reached beyond racial and cultural lines . I guess the people with half a brain dont seem to think hes racist because his grass roots campaign is getting support from people from every racial and ethnic root. I think glen beck was on tv and his guest mentioned something about america owing 50+ trillion dollars to foreign countries. Dont know if its that high but if it is then we need to take care of america before looking after any country, and its true we give 3 times more funding to the arab countries than isreal and we need to stop supporting these arab countries also. kalvin, in case you hadnt noticed, we have on many occasions accused saudi arabia for covertly harboring and supporting al queda and other terrorists there.
Maybe? The names are out there, the endorsements, speeches and books as well. What's this maybe? 3 times as much. I don't think the foreign aid is a recruiting tool for enemies of Israel, I think the fact that the US so openly supports Israel, and Muslim dictators that enrages people. That's my take at least. And Ron Paul is for cutting off aid to ALL OF THEM, not just Israel. Net, Israel would realize a financial advantage over it's adversaries. If my friend is being an antagonist, yes. Do you really think that the Iraqi occupation serves Israel well? Do you think Israelis are safer today with the heightened extremist action since 9/11? I don't. We do them a disservice. As one poster here wrote, Israel is the canary in the coalmine. If you understand the analogy, when something goes wrong, the canary rarely lives. That tiny little country has 200 nukes. Enough to wipe out the entire ME, and Eastern Europe if they had to. It only took 2 nukes to bring the Japanese Empire to it's knees. That "tiny" country had no problem attacking Saddam Hussein or Syria with it's airforce, and accepting the repercussions of such. I think you take a pass on responding on your own religious views, while projecting views of racism and religious extremism on others. And it's intellectually dishonest. You're welcome to put me back on ignore, but if you aren't going to, I'd like to have an answer. Because you levy a lot of charges against others, without exposing your motives or philosophical foundations.
When people take a pass on something they usually have something to hide. Everyone here knows my religious views and i call for moderation and im a catholic but i get along with almost everyone because i never shove my beliefs down anyones throat but i dont hide them. What did the bible say about the deceiver?
This thread is another revealing look at the Ron Paul supporters. Their own words speak for themselves. Pretty sad, but like moths to a flame, I guess they can't resist.
Browntwn, i dont know about anyone else here, but you just made no sense at all , waittttt , I take that back lol. Nothing out of the ordinary . Sorry im half assleep .
The web-site doesn't mention that. They only care that Ron Paul wants to turn a blind eye to what's happening in the middle east and wants to stop giving money to Israel. Arab nations are not telling us to keep our money. Arab nations have made a heck of a lot more than 1.3 Trillion in the last 35 years just from the sale of oil to the US. I don't see any Muslims complaining about that. Ron Paul is also supported by David Duke, one of the top racists in the country. All this support boils down to one thing: not taking away monetary support from foreign countries in general, but from Israel specifically. It doesn't matter if we stop giving free money to Arab nations because they make a lot from the sale of oil. They actually buy this BS notion that our support of Israel is the cause of Israel's problems. Actually that's not true. They believe that our support is the only thing keeping Israel around. They just try to deflect the issue. Clue by four time: the Arab nations called for the murder of Israeli civilian Jews the moment Israel was created. This hatred goes back long before 1973. The starting date for calculating total monetary aid to Israel. If Muslims were murdering Jews and only Jews I might by into this idea that Jews and the US are doing something wrong. But since Muslims are murdering everyone who isn't Muslim like them, I'd say the Muslims are probably the problem. They're irrelavent. That fact that you think being a "zionist" is relavent shows your own anti-semitism. That's why I put you on ignore. You want to accuse everyone who supports Israel of being a zionist. It's like the N word for Jews. So if you're going to keep tossing it around like it's relavent to the discussion then I'm going to just go back to ignoring you. Accusing me of being a Zionist is as retarded as me accusing you of being Muslim. What does that have to do with anything? All it will take is 1 nuke to whipe out Israel. I highly doubt Israel will be able to destroy all it's neighbors before they get one nuke right back at them.
First thing first i know your first focus isnt on america cause if it was you would understand the simple fact that we cant afford to be funding any country because ours is on the verge of bankruptcy. Do you even care about that? Patriotism starts by caring about your country first. maybe its some started doing that. Not naming names. Can you please tell me what country is going to help get us our of bankruptcy when that happens? Maybe you can do that ? lol I really dont care if the king of nigeria supports Ron Paul. Its what ron paul supports that i think about, and he supports freedom , liberty and the constitution. He also supports the american people. Do you?
Our country isn't on the verge of bankruptcy. There's a ridiculous amount of money going into Washington every year (more than the national debt) and a ridiculous amount going out. The GDP in 2006 was 13 Trillion. The national debt is currently around 9 Trillion. So if the government wanted to, it could easily pay off the debt in less than the time it takes for you to pay off your own house. The government is spending money because it wants to and it can. If we were actually pressed for cash we could easily start cutting things and paying off our bills. But we don't want to or need to because much of the debt is actually making the government money. Paying off the debt would actually hurt us far more than having the debt. So I don't know where you get this silly idea that the US government is going bankrupt. I own a house that costs 3-4 times as much as I make in a year and I'm considered financially well off. The government has a debt of about 75% of it's yearly earnings and you act like it's the end of the world.
Which web site? You lost me on the rest of the excerpt I quoted. But does Ron Paul support David Duke? Strange argument. Anyways, Israel is not a poor country, and Paul has absolutely no issues with zeroing out all taxes, and allow private American citizens to donate or invest as much in Israel as they would like. What he is saying is, the government has no right to confiscate the general wealth, and re-distribute it for political purposes, specifically overseas. You're making a blanket generalization about Muslims I think. Saddam had no problem killing Kurds in Iraq, Shia from Iran or Sunnis in Kuwait. I'd say the issue is violence, not exclusively secular violence. The issue isn't that our support is the cause of Israel's problems. I'm sure Israel has caused many of it's own problems, and the nations around it have created many problems as well. But arming both sides is not what a 3rd party should be doing in the interest of peace. There is no mightier military power in the ME than Israel. That's nonsense that it's like the "n word". Utter and total nonsense to accuse me of anti-semitism. You obviously didn't check out my Arutz Sheva link posted earlier. Not all Jews or Israelis are Zionists, but all Zionists do support Israel. And I think Zionism is ok, I'm FOR nationalism. But I'm curious to know if you consider yourself a Zionist, and if so, a Jewish Zionist, or a Christian one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism Zionism is an international political movement that supports a homeland for the Jewish People in the Land of Israel. So the question of "are you a Zionist" is merely asking if you support a homeland. Which shouldn't be too hard to answer. Again, I'm not using it as a pejorative. You will have a hard time finding anything anti-semitic written by me, because quite honestly, I have no problems with Jews, their religion, or Israel. I do think their government leaves a lot to be desired, and the Israeli lobby in Washington has too high a public profile, and this causes public opinion blowback. I do think that lobby is powerful enough to influence our politicians towards the agenda of a foreign nation, sometimes not in the best interests of the American people. But first one of their neighbors would have to get a nuke. After Osirak, and bombing of that Syrian installation, I have no doubt that Israel will work to maintain it's absolute advantage in this area, by attacking anyone who is getting close to nuclear capability.
Where in the constitution does it forbid the government from using our tax dollars for political purposes overseas? "Zionist" is a negative word used by those who hate Israel and want it, and all Jews, destroyed. Last I checked, Israel was home to a lot of people. Not just Jews. It is commonly used in a hateful sense on this site by Muslims. It's not like Muslims are offering an alternative location for the people of Israel to move to. They're not going to give up any Arab land to replace what used to be Israel. They just want to dominate the entire region and make any non-Muslim a second class citizen. And you're shocked, shocked I say, that people would actually dare to support a free country that allows anyone to live there and practice whatever religion they happen to be. You're anti-semetic because you make this Israel situation out to be a Jewish "Zionism" issue. It's an issue of allowing a free society to exist in an area dominated by oppression of non-Muslims. If Muslims weren't so rabidly anti-semetic they'd be freely allowed to live in Israel. But as it is, Israel has to keep them out because they can't be trusted. Too many Israeli citizens inside the gates have been murdered by Muslims living outside the gates. Despite being a holy Jewish site, any Christian is allowed to travel to Israel to see the Christian holy sites. Wonder why that is? Maybe because Christians aren't strapping bombs to themselves and trying to blow up cafes. Muslims want to destroy all non-Muslim holy sites. Muslims even recently destroyed ancient buddhist religious artifacts. The Muslims in the region simply cannot be trusted with the land Israel occupies. Christians don't have to worry about Jews destroying Christian holy sites and visa-versa. Muslims destroy non-Muslim artifacts every chance they get. Christians are not supporting Israel just because Jews live there. Freedom loving people support Israel because they don't oppress people or destroy the things other people care about. A lot of Christians would like to see where Jesus lived. If Muslims had their way, all that history would be destroyed.
So if I understand your logic, just because a white supremacist supports Ron Paul does not mean Ron Paul supports white supremacists. Makes sense so far until you look at this very thread. People in this very thread are trying to claim that because some Jewish person supports Ron Paul that Ron Paul supports Jewish people (or claim that this shows he is not a racist). Ron Paul supporters seem to pick and chose when you want to play logic games.
Kalvin we were just proving a point that people from every race support his cause and what he stands for. Im sorry to inform you this but zionism wasnt something developed by arabs. If you read at all you will know that is word was developed as a movement . Again your twisting peoples words in a very deceptive way, but then again i would expect no less from you and your groupies here. The word zionist was developed by a group who started this movement in the late 1800's. Again your spreading disinformation about muslims, sounds a little racy if you ask me.
So, are Muslims allowed to live in Israel or not? Would you call me anti-semite or bigot if I say something like: "Jews can't be trusted."?