Do you believe in abortion? 35th Year Anniversary Today.

I voted No. Granted, there are possible situations where it might seem a little more reasonable. For example, a young girl being raped and as a result becoming pregnant. I still believe the child should have a fair chance at a normal life, even if that means being up for adoption. However, it is a bit more understandable.

Statistics show though that in the cases of abortion these types of situations are usually not what is taking part. It is usually unresponsible young people doing things they shouldn't be doing. Again, i'm probably not the perfect roll model. But I have a strong opinion about this since I had my daughter at a very young age too, unexpectedly. I think I, as well as my daughters life, has turned out well. I don't see why anyone else can't do the same.

 

I teach tactical defense to military and law enforcement, as well as rape and assault prevention to women's groups.

An element of what you are saying is true - rape prevention begins with assault awareness, and that begins with basics - literally, how one walks, where one walks, how one looks at the world while walking. But this is a far cry from laying rape at the feet of women, saying "a little commonsense" will stop rapes. Flatly, not true. Here in our city, in our neighborhood, there were a series of rapes that took place in broad daylight, about 3-4 months ago. The perp dragged women walking from their car to alleyways, and behind dumpsters, and raped them. My own wife, years ago, was held up by a piece of shit punk with a .25, 4:30 p.m., Saturday - bar parking lot, in full view. What you're saying just isn't true.

To your "solutions," of mace or gun. I don't know if you have ever dealt with a surprise assault. To come out on top, if one doesn't want to depend on sheer luck, one has to be trained so fully that the natural fight or flight scenario - more often than not, the "deer in the headlights" scenario - isn't the instinctive response. With a window of seconds, affirmative and decisive action is the only option (or utter compliance, actually - and unfortunately there is no hard and fast "rule" one can hang on here. Each must answer for themself). Your "solution" - mace or gun - is worthless if someone isn't specifically trained to handle the emotions that arise during a surprise, violent assault. In fact, a little amount of training, coupled with the use of defensive weaponry, is a dangerous thing, for the victim.

You're jumped, and immediately pummelled with a series of kicks and punches to your body and face. Assuming you're not just losing control of your bladder and bowels, you fumble for your weapon - and the perp further overwhelms you with violent force, now, grabbing your weapon to use it on you. Not the best outcome.

Your position isn't well thought out, in my opinion. Further, I hope you aren't in some way blaming women for being raped (and I don't think you are - just let's say it plainly - men rape women, and women aren't "asking" for it).

Finally, regardless of how one feels about abortion, to in any way force a woman surviving one she must needs bear the perp's child is criminal, in my opinion.

 

I think voting on the topic should not be up to men (note: I am a male) but to women only. We don't have to shoot E.T. out from between our pelvises, but I also think that abortions should be legal for the first 4 times, but after that let ehmm feel the pain.

 

The first thing i said was, and i quote "I know its not true in every case, but if a little common since is applied Rapes can be prevented."

It was only my point to state that a little awareness goes a long way. I have been the victim of a surprise attack, luckily i was able to fend them off, because i was aware of my surroundings.

I know there will be times when it cant be helped. But even in those cases, I fell as others here do, the child should have a chance, and like someone else mentioned there is a better alternative like adoption, which will allow the child to live.

Also someone else had mentioned that most abortion cases are not due to medical issues or rapes, but from irresponsible teens, or young adults.

The truth of the matter is a child is innocent dont punish it for your mistakes, or anyone Else's.

 

I am aware what you wrote, Simply. I tried to show how what you're arguing just isn't true in the real world, but let me repeat, a bit more basically.

Commonsense doesn't stop rapes. Rapes happen regardless.

And raping someone isn't a "mistake." It's a violent, despicable crime. Quite honestly, neither you nor I have a damn iota's business telling a woman what she should choose regarding her already-violated body.

 

When you walk through a dark alley is it common since to look over your shoulder? If a woman watches over her shoulder, while walking through this alley, dont you think her chances are a little better for seeing a perpsneak up on her? Doesnt it give her a better chance to run. away Common since can help a whole heck of a lot in these situations, if you teach these classes you should really know this. I have been to several self defense classes, one of the first things they teach is awareness.

 

I don't think he is arguing that having some common sense would help situations. However, I think you are a bit extreme here. Is it really the womans fault that she is raped because she was in the dark alley? Perhaps it wasn't the wisest move, but she was doing absolutely nothing wrong by being there. And if she wasn't there, then someone else might be. Repeat offenders (and most rapists are) don't typically just perform the act once. They are always looking for an opportunity. Telling women to be more cautious will only go so far.

As it has been pointed out, they don't only find vulnerable women in dark alleys, in the middle of the night, or in poor neighborhoods. There have been several women raped as they were walking to their vehicles in a crowded mall parking lot in the middle of the day. Where does the common sense argument end and the blame moved to the man who is committing the crime begin?

 

Simply, you're not reading. Please slow down, and read what is posted. I have added emphases for your convenience.

And these are but two examples. In my teaching and experience, tragically, these aren't unique. Rapes and assaults happen in seconds, with no lead time. It takes zero time to overcome a woman and take her from a "perfectly safe" area to a "hidden" area. What you're saying just isn't true.

And please read what I posted regarding defensive weaponry, because what you're suggesting is quite irresponsible. I spend a good deal of time disabusing women of the notion that a "weekend warrior" workshop will teach them actual defensive methods, and your suggestion - buy mace, buy a gun - is very much in that vein. It is worse than non-helpful, it is quite dangerous. It gives a false sense of security, and, disarmed, gives the perp an added weapon to use on the victim.

And I cannot in any way agree with you that a raped woman should be forced to bear the child resulting from it. Individual liberty decries such an abuse.

Regarding the thread subject, I am conflicted and have no easy answer. Some form of life is undeniably extinguished with the act of abortion, and I find this a painful thing to accept. On the other hand, that life grows by, and is part of, a woman's body. It is hers, and not mine, nor anyone's, but hers. As much as this isn't an easy answer for me, it is ultimately a woman's right to choose what goes on inside her body, in my opinion. Abortions will happen, as they have always happened, throughout history. Returning to the days of dark alleys and coat hangers is no answer. Unfortunately, I don't have an easy answer that is incontrovertibly "truth."

 

Dont you guys think this ties directly to private ownership of guns ? Heck , even a good taser would do the trick for any woman walking the streets at night.

 

Not really at all. I'm sure that 90%+ of the time that someone is raped it is unexpected with probably no opportunity to pull a gun or any form of weapon. Granted, it at least gives the woman a chance to defend herself, but more than likely it wouldn't make a huge difference.

 

No, it wouldn't, Ping. Which is part of my point from the posts above. A taser means nothing in the hands of a person untrained to deal with sudden, overwhelming violence. More often than not, that taser will be ripped from the terrified hands of the victim, and used on them. It's an irresponsibly simplistic understanding to believe that simply arming the populace will stop violent crime, from all that my experience, and that of my colleagues, has told me.

 

No not in the slightest.

I also think it's in bad taste to use violent sexual attacks on women as a reason for supporting what one can only assume is a personal agenda of yours.

"if only people agreed with me about guns.... we could end rape!"
"If you aren't with the NRA you are with the rapists!"

 

In the sense your making, its murder period. So if your raped you have the right to commit murder? You need to re-exam that stances in my opinion

 

LOL!

 

Yall seem to be getting way more from my statements than what is intended. I dont think its the womens fault at all. I only stated being a bit more aware could prevent some of these situations. And i know it happens in the daylight. My only point is, its better to be aware, than to not be aware. Nothing will 100% guarantee you that you wont get raped. But you can lessen the odds by using some common since. And regardless what you say, that is a fact.

As far as the weapons i would never suggest anyone to buy one without the proper training. With the proper training a gun will add security. If you are aware of your surroundings, you will see someone trying to sneak up on you. If you see someone coming at you, you will have the time needed in most cases, to react properly. And yes it could result in the gun trading hands, or you just may not be successful in trying to defend yourself, its a risk that has to be up to the person in that case. Me personally, i would rather try than to not.

 

That isn't even slightly funny... Now I know why I don't visit P&R...

 

I agree with your statements here. I guess I was confused as to what direction you were going with a few of your comments.

 

I think those disagreeing with you, simply, took their lead from this:

Maybe you have a different understanding as to what "preventing" means. To me, it means preventing. Eradicating. Stopping. Hence, the problem with your argument.

In your argument, regarding weapons.

What would that proper training consist of?

And in your world - those "few" cases of a "prepared person" still getting overwhelmed, raped, and impregnated - forced childbirth?

 

Oh come now, what more can you expect from the person who runs one of the largest funny picture archives on the internet! I couldn't find it in my archive so I pull this one from google images, this is an ACTUAL jewish advertisement used on billboards awhile ago.

 

Sandecki, what are you talking about?