These are the faces of Islamic Oppression

I won't go in circles like you do all the time. I have my opinion about what have you said and what are you doing and everything you are saying after that won't change my mind about you and what are you trying to achieve here. Good luck in convincing 1,8 billions of people that they are following "evil system".

 

All I asked for is a link to a credible news report from agencies such as Reuters or AFP, why is that so hard to do?

I think it is obvious who is the one actually being evasive here.

 

I have never "gone in circles", but it appears that you are.

Your favorite tactic appears to be straw-man arguments designed to make Islam appear to be the victim here.

I am not sure where this "opinion" generates, as it appears to have no relation to anything I have ever said or done.

I have already seen you admit that he system is evil, in one specific case.

That's probably why you are running away. You fear change and growth.

Fortunately, change and growth are the natural order of things. Submission to oppression is a bad system which leads to people being unhappy. It will eventually be cured.

 

We've seen an enormous number of straw-man arguments and baseless accusations in this thread.

I'll try to clear things up by summarizing where we are so far:

We have shown the a number of people murdered for violating Islamic law.

Some of these people were murdered by individuals Dar al Harb, others were murdered by ISlamic governments in Dar al Islam.

When the murders occur in Dar al Harb, the Islamists almost always use the insanity defense.

When the murders occur in Dar al Islam, the Islamists use either the "that's not Islam, that's their culture" defense or the "That murder is morally right because it is legal" defense.

The argument against the insanity defense is to show how, in each case, the person was following Islamic law.

The argument against the cultural defense is also to show that these behaviors are demanded by Islamic law.

The argument against the "legal" defense is to point out that legality and morality are two entirely different concepts.
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To extend our discussion further, I will now point out that -- although these crimes are heinous and the victims deserve our full sympathies, there are other victims to be considered.

When these people are murdered for expressing their natural freedoms, this creates a chilling effect on everyone who hears of the murders.

The victims are not just those two girls in the taxi, those two boys on the end of the ropes, that woman buried in the ground and beaten to death, those two young men tied to the chairs and slaughtered, or that old Dutch gentlemen gunned down in the street -- the victims are also everyone who experiences fear and then lives their lives in submission to the oppression of Islam.

The vast majority of these secondary victims are Muslims themselves, because the vast majority of those murdered for violating Islamic law are Muslims themselves.

These are the silent victims, because even speaking out against the oppression is a capital offense under Islamic law.

 

You still fail to explain how did you managed to stay alive after meting all those who follows "evil system"....

 

The vast majority of Muslims live under oppression -- they are victims themselves. Only a few are active instruments of this oppression.

I am lucky enough to live in Dar al Harb, where Islam has not captured control of civil government. This makes is enormously more difficult for those few active instruments of oppression to wage their war against individual freedom.

If I were living in Dar al Islam, I would be dead already.

As George Orwell said “Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”

I am one of those lucky "good people" who sleeps peaceably because I live in Dar al Harb, which is protected by the brave men and women of the Armed Forces of the United States of America.

Got it? If not, please rephrase your question and I will continue to try to help you to reach understanding.

 

I have one slightly off-topic comment to make:

I live in Romania and until recently (1989) we were under opression from the Communism regime. With the 1989 fall of communism we had a radical switch to democracy and freedom. The problem is that with such a sudden switch, people don't know what to do with said freedom right away because it was part of their culture to be opressed (it's still very visible here in Romania and probably will be so 1-2 more generations until we're cured). It's difficult to change anything from the outside Will. If they don't realise they are oppressed, you can't do squat. Maybe they consider those acts and what we see as oppression as normal.

 

Well I wish your country a fast recovery Tudi.

 

Ever been to Morocco? I went to Morocco alone and I was beefing with the hustlers and theives 24/7. Your not going to sleep peaceably in that country.

 

What village do you live in pal?

On Topic: Honor Killing is a horrible act, but it is not exclusive to Islam. Just a few days ago I made a thread about it.
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=632435

Honor Killing is not limited to any religion, any country or any caste..

 

Time to come out of the closet

 

It's been a life ambition of mine. Did you know they bake bread in the sand?

Why does this not surprise me?

 

The legal system of Al Mamlakah al Maghribiyah is based on Islamic law, with some French and Spanish law mixed in.

As such, I don't think any sane person would sleep comfortably there.

 

Who knows, coming out of the closet might be a death sentence where he lives.

 

Special Christianityphobia for WillSpencer


Christianity & Violence 1
Christianity & Violence 2
Christianity and its Persecutions of Jews


My message to you

Every religion has been a casualty of human and political misuse.

Regards

 

Lucky for us Christianity decided to advance since then. Some other religions, not so much.

 

Have we?

1999 Catholic & Protestant Clash

The Roots Of Terrorism In Northern Ireland

... and many more.


As I said earlier - Every religion has been a casualty of human and political misuse.

 

Mr Will.Spencer

Will you please explain this and start new thread about this topic?

http://sa.rochester.edu/masa/stats.php

 

Thats National clash , they just happen to be of a two different religions

 

Christianity has only appeared to "advance" because you live in a society where what it would like to do wouldn't be tolerated. Christianity, If it could, Would still execute gays, Oppress woman and viciously beat children for the smallest of reasons, After-all, These are the instructions in the bible. If you look at christianity in countries where injustices, Bigotry and needless violence are socially tolerated they still get up to this stuff.

One could argue that societies that kill gays, Oppress woman and beat children to death for being possessed (being mentally ill) are more "christian" than the ones that don't.

So it's not "christianity" that has advanced, It can;t advance, It's a dogmatic belief that is the same now as it was 2000 years ago.. What has advanced is the morality of the society in which religions operate. This has always happened, Religion gets away with as much as society allows.