I've always wondered what is it with Americans and their myopic attitude of supremacy? I am a born-American, but I have never considered the idea of moving to America and residing there. Maybe I will visit America one day but I certainly do not see the US of A as having "more freedom and liberty than any other place on earth".
You answered your own observation. You haven't been here. I've always wondered what is it with muslims and their myopic attitude of supremacy?
Does not matter, does it? I am American-born. It means that by the principles of jus soli, I am a citizen whether you like it or not. "And We have indeed made you [Islamic Ummah] an Ummatan Wasatan so as you can be the witness to [the deeds of] all mankind and so as the Prophet can be the witness to you [deeds of the Islamic Ummah]." (Qur'an, 2:142)
I dont recall asking you to prove it, and u are not a clone of your great grandfather are u? I think My point went way over your head lol. I was making the point that our forefathers fought against the british because they were being supressed . We went to war with no solid proof that they had wmd's and al queda.
Yes, it matters, when you say "I certainly do not see the US of A as having "more freedom and liberty than any other place on earth," yet admit to not having lived here. I appreciate you taking the time to make that point. Might want to check that scripture and remove all those inserts. Might also want to make sure you have the right scripture: quran 2:142 Here's a passage you might know well: 008.012 Ping, I corrected your dishonest personal attack. I don't know what your forefathers in Lebanon fought for, but my forefathers fought islamic tyranny here as well. The barbary pirates. Personally, the notion of "you" fighting for something is a pretty far fetched idea.
Actually my forefathers fought against the armies of mohammad and against sulledin for my right to be a christian, and again you saying you would do the same thing as your great grandfather is another story. I dont know how you can say the same. Right now there is islamic extremism, but for you to say that is the only problem is purely ignorant. I have pointed countless many times about how our policies actually helped to spread islamic fundamentalism across the middle east. There are many good muslim people but they are not in the power to do anything. Doctor mossadegh was one of them, and when i pointed out how we destroyed him and his government over our pety greed of getting cheap oil, you again twisted the facts. My point isnt a religious one. Its about power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. jesus once said" he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword" , and " thou shalt not LIE", how many times have the elite in our government lied to us from the gulf of tonkin, to mossadegh to the iraq war. If it wasnt for teh freedom of information act from the late 70's we never would have know any of the truth about any of this. This is a government of the people not of the elite and for the elite. there is a time when fighting to protest onself is noble and just but to be manipulated into killing in the name of nationalism under the guise of a lie is another thing. Maybe you like to vote for wars of this kind and vote for candidates of this type but i dont and wont ever.
One does not have to live in the US to know that such a statement is factually inaccurate. The reason for the inserts is for clarity of meaning so as twisted individuals such as yourself will not see it fit to twist it. Yeah, my bad...it is Qur'an 2:143, just one verse after the quotation. Now how did you miss that? I know very well how you have twisted the verse. Here is the full meaning: "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment." (Qur'an, 8:12-13) This is the very same dishonest tactic that your pal, Will Spencer, used to paint Islam as violent. It is clear that this was addressed to the angels and that you ripped it out of its context by purposely leaving out Qur'an, 8:13, which is a continuation of the story in question. Confer: Ibn Kathir's tafsir of the context. Infidels, especially ignorant ones, should not be commenting on the Qur'an. I guess Islamophobes of a feather will always get caught with their pants down, huh?
Ping, I'm well aware of your persistent blaming America first and tearing down our country. No need to reconvince me of something I already accept. I'm also aware of the esteem you bestow upon those who violated their country's constitution and dissolved parliament in order to obtain dictatorship power. Although I admit I find that esteem to be nothing short of hypocrisy when it comes to "your" (ahem) country. I won't waste my time on the rest of the alex jones induced conspiratorial BS. With no offense, you simply are not worth it. I only wanted to corrected your dishonest personal attack. I achieved that goal.
Aren't you getting tired with this BS of your tearing down America crap? It is YOU who is tearing down America and spreading lies around here non-stop. Everybody knows your true colors and your BS wont fly mate! You're alone!
I disagree. I've seen nothing to convince me otherwise. Incorrect. The reason for inserts, is typically for misleading. That's been my experience. It doesn't need inserts to alter it's meaning. That's why I always source scriptures without them. I wasn't looking for 2:143. I was looking for 2:142. You're the muslim, you should be asking yourself that question Thank you for proving my point. If you do not accept islam (you do know what a da'wa is, right?), then expect to have your neck smited and finger tips removed. This is not accurate. He was not addressing the angels, he was addressing his audience, muslim believers. As I previously pointed out, he was invoking comments made to angels, to his audience. This makes the second time I have corrected you on this. Would you like me to post more scriptures? How about from the hadith, on what muslim men will be afforded to kill, in order to get to paradise?
See there ya go again. Your twisting the facts and we debated this before. Mossadegh knew that our government and the shah were planning an OVERTHROW AND THAT IS WHY HE DISOLVED PARIAMENT, to try to save his country and try to save the freedom of the iranian people. We all know how brutal the non elected american puppet shah was with his own people and we all know how favorable our oil contracts with them are. Maybe you dont know what your doing dude, maybe you actually believe your own fibs. My attack wasnt dishonest and you cant compare yourself today with your great grandfather , You really live in a state of disillusionment lololol.
Yes, I do get tired of your BS, but ping isn't going to call you on the hatred. He'll give you a pass every time. See, he just gave you another slap on the ass
Its not my problem. Again, it is not my problem. The Bible has a tradition for inserting comments in between verses -- the Qur'an is no different. That is why a translation of the Qur'an is always that, a translation, not the actual Qur'an in Arabic. I made a mistake, it was a typo error. What makes you think that this is an order by God to all Muslims to do? It was referred to a specific context at a specific time. I have already provided the link to Ibn Kathir's tafsir on the matter. One should always learn the art of reading, instead of making baseless assumptions based on current stereotypes. Who are you to tell me that this interpretation is inaccurate? Are you an imam, a jurist or a muhaddith? So it does not gel with your stereotypical display of Islam, therefore you say that this interpretation by Ibn Kathir (not just mine, but Ibn Kathir's as well) is wrong? Do you even know who Ibn Kathir was? You mean more of your misinterpretations? I would be happy to correct them, not for your sake (since you are already ingrained in your hatred for Islam and beyond help) but for others who would come across this thread and make the conclusions for themselves.
Incorrect. Pop quiz time: 1) Did he violate his country's constitution? True or False I can source this, but I don't believe integrity is a high priority for you. 2) Did he dissolve parliament to obtain power? Yes or No? BTW, this wasn't a topic of discussion, until (for about the 100th time - at least- you've resorted to changing the topic to your hero, again). As I said, I just wanted to correct your dishonesty and personal attack. If you would like to correct more dishonesty, I'm more than happy to entertain you.
This is incorrect. As I have sourced actual the actual scripture with no inserts for misleading. I'm well aware of the "translation card" strategy. Surely you do not believe you are the first to try that? Heh! Next time, don't question me for your typo. Reading. Have you considered it? One need read the scripture. It's not like it was written for someone needing more than a typical high school education. We are in agreement here. I believe the best advice is the advice you take yourself. I am GTech. I have not only told you, but have also sourced the scripture as well. It does not need a rocket scientist to understand it's meaning. Smiting off the neck and fingertips of infidels doesn't quite translate into offering them chocolates and flowers. Would you agree? Being aware of what is in the quran is not hatred. Remember, I'm not in the position of having to falsely try and prove violent scriptures in your holy book are really just nice pleasantries of islam. You are facing an uphill battle.
Yet again another example of how GTech likes to twist facts to suit his personal agenda. Apparently it has extended to Mosaddeq as well Now here is something to help you along: I knew nothing about Mossadegh before I did a search in Google for it and found the Wikipedia entry. Context is always important in assessing a historical issue and this was what I found. Under the circumstances, it is understandable why Mossadegh would want to dissolve parliament. GTech simply disregarded the historical context, the same way he does to interpreting Qur'anic verses, in order to twist it to his own agenda. I think someone who is prone to doing something like this shows that he is at the point of desperation and thus has no credibility whatsoever.
Every Muslim believes that the translation of the Qur'an is not the actual Qur'an, so what is your problem with that? It is certainly not mine if you are skeptical about it. There is reading, and also the art of exegesis and understanding the context of the passages in question. You obviously have not used any of the tools or proper methodology in understanding the Qur'an. Circumventing the question, huh? I asked you on what authority do you have to force your interpretation down my throat? Obviously you are neither an imam, a jurist or a muhaddith. Therefore where are your credentials for doing so? A rocket scientist is not trained in Islamic sciences, so even if you are one, you would still have no authority to interpret Islamic texts at your whims and fancies. Obviously, but does it say in the text that all Muslims must do this to everyone? Twisting the verses to suit your agenda is. On the contrary, I hardly find it "difficult", if at all, to expose your lies. I can do the same for your Babble, would you like me to show you the very violent verses of the Bible which you Crusaders follow as dogma until today?
Thank you for proving my point. He did violate his country's constitution and dissolved it's parliament in order to obtain power. I'm even more intrigued by your projectionism and attempting to cover up your own dishonesty by actually posting an excerpt that proves my point, then trying to claim I am twisting facts! That is classic! Perhaps now is a good time to hone our kitman skills?
He did "violate" the Constitution (apparently) and dissolved Parliament, but is that the whole story as you try to make it out to be? Or are you hiding the fact that it was the British-American powers that forced him to do so?