Find me a website that has #1 in Google for a quality keyword with a 0 PR

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  1. simplyg123

    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    #81
    ive been searching and i will admit, i have only found one search that brought back a PR0, and that was a search for my last name which is bosher, but check for your self it does come back with a PR 0. It beats 1 out of 113,000

    link here http://www.google.com/search?q=bosh...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

    theres your proof PR0 ranked number 1 out of 113,000 others. it beats several 3's and 4's on the first page

    So Do i win a prize or something??
     
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    #82
    Lets put it this way. To rank for a certain keywords, mainly a competitive keyword, other than the on-site optimization you need as well off site optimization. So backlinks with keywords in anchor text are needed, fine we are here now. PR is based on votes, or rather how many websites do link to your site, are those websites trusted (based on Google's algorithm aka do they have PR already), the more trusted the sites are the higher their PR is.

    In simple words, PR is nothing else but a entertainment tool for people to start threads like this (for us), a business model (for link sellers) and business strategy (for Google).
     
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  3. Jim4767

    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    #83
    Check the original post. Is your keyword highly competitive? No. Still waiting...
     
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    sweetfunny Banned

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    #84
    As i said great timing, directly after an update when basically every domain on the net older than a few weeks got Pagerank.

    I posted a string of top 10 sites with no PR a few pages back that rank for keywords more competative than anyone in this thread ranks for.

    Not good enough? Ask again in a few weeks when the odds are not seriously flawed due to an update.
     
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    #85
    How about this one

    Keyword "pay"

    1,040,000,000 results for "pay"
    5,450,000 results for allintitle:"pay"
    989,000,000 results for allinanchor:"pay".

    #1 pr 0 https://ipay.adp.com/iPay/index.jsf
    #2 pr 0 https://www.paypal.com/
    #3 pr 4 http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=PAY
    #4 pr 0 https://www.pay.gov/paygov/
    #5 pr 5 http://mypay.dfas.mil/
    #6 pr 7 http://www.dfas.mil/
    #7 pr 3 http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/pay
    #8 pr 6 http://www.bidvertiser.com/
    #9 pr 5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay
    #10 pr 6 http://www.paybytouch.com/portal/site/main

    now if think this term is not highly competitive then go ahead and try to pass them.
     
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  6. simplyg123

    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    #86
    id say we have a winner
     
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  7. Jim4767

    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    #87
    That is the login page for the PR5 home page (see below):

    Web Page URL: http://www.ipay.adp.com
    The Page Rank: 5/10
     
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    #88
    I dont see why that matters, the page on top is PR0
     
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    #89
    http://www.ipay.adp.com does not exist, it redirects to the login page. Now that would of course explain why that page is ranking number 1, as a 301 redirect will pass all its rankings and pr to the new page.

    However, the question to the thread was to show a pr 0 site ranking #1 for a highly competitive keyword. OP did'nt ask how it could be done ;).
     
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  10. gregdavidson

    gregdavidson Well-Known Member

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    #90
    Go to ADP.com and tell me what their PR is?
     
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    #91
    that's great, but that is not the url ranking #1 for pay.
     
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    gregdavidson Well-Known Member

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    #92
    Their main page has a PR6 or 7. That's the reason why they can get #1. ALSO, I asked for a WEBSITE. Not a page. There are pages on Ebay that have 0 PR but come up #1 or in the top 10 for a quality keyword. That's because Ebay's main page has a PR9.
     
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    #93
    In case you didn't know a "Website" does not have Pagerank, Pages have PageRank.

    This whole thing is quite funny really, you are sitting here saying something is impossible i have done countless times over my 9 Years involvement in Search Optimization.
     
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    gregdavidson Well-Known Member

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    #94
    In case you didn't know, having a high PR on your MAIN url can effect the position of your pages. I've already proven you guys WRONG and now you're trying to figure out a way to confuse me by going to the pages of websites with a high PR.
     
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    gregdavidson Well-Known Member

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    #95
    Let's test out your theory if you want to insist. Find me a website that has a 0 PR for their main url and ranks #1 for a high quality keyword on their 0 PR page! CAN'T DO IT!
     
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    #96
    I have done it, countless times.

    Ask this question in a few weeks instead of days after a PR update, when even a 14yo friend has PR on her new pet website that ranks nowhere.

    Seriously what you are asking is like waiting until it's pouring rain and saying i bet you can't run across the street without getting wet. The question is rather naive thinking there's people out there who can't put a website in to #1 inside 3 months.

    The question is stupid, if Pagerank was updated in real time you would have a point. But it's not, especially when it's gone for 7 months without updating and i had a string of PR N/A stacked up in #1 spots by the end of it.

    Even if you asked this question a week earlier, i would of given you a list of sites that just i have done that were in #1 spots but obviously they have updated and received Pagerank.
     
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    gregdavidson Well-Known Member

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    #97
    Also, if PR means nothing, why did Google even bother creating it?
     
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    #98
    For 2 reasons, as a way to get people to install the Google toolbar so they could gather more statistical data in order to help their primary business model which is advertising. Also hype for their ranking algorithm, and it worked didn't it?

    Pagerank has never been accurate right from public export #1 because it's a snapshot in the past and hence fairly out of date before it even hits the toolbar. However in the last 18 months it's getting more inaccurate with every export.

    Tell me, how is an internal PR5 page that only has 1 internal link from a PR0 page accurate? There's more glitches in the Pagerank system than i could poke a stick at.
     
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  19. gregdavidson

    gregdavidson Well-Known Member

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    #99
    What website are you referring to?
     
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