Gtech If you could only redirect this negative energy of accusing people towards coming on this side and helping the Ron Paul revolution win this election. Like I said before, it is OK put away your pride we will still accept you.
I love what Ron Paul stands for. Do I think he's going to be our next President? Not a chance. (Do I WISH he could be - oh, yeah....) Anyway: he's a good guy. He stands for the things I believe in. I'm glad he's around - if nothing else, he's inspired a lot of people. I hope he sticks through until the election. He's one in a million and if every politician just listened and took one of the many good things Ron Paul says to heart, the USA would be a better country.
Nextbizguy i will ask you exactly what i asked gtech , SHOW me the WMD'SSSSSSS. You cant can you? Now i predict either you will make yourself look silly by posting links to some looney website with no proof at all of wmd's or al quedas or you will do what gtech should have done and ignored my question. the more you guys answer back the more you will show your factless rebuttals and the more that you will be exposed for what you are , twisters of the truth. Watch everyone as i predict nextbizguy 100% ignores my question. Show everyone in dp the wmd's and the al queada that were in iraq right before our invasion. cant can you. end of that story. Now please huddle up with gtech and find another issue to attack because you have no proof at all on this one Over here it isnt show me the oil money, ITS SHOW ME THE PROOF. This is starting to get wayy to easy. lol
Plepco, i never knew about Ron paul until Grim and guerilla posted about him on dp. If it wasnt for them i would still be in the dark. this is only the beginning. RP has lite a spark underneath every freedom loving man and woman in america. Im in this for the longhaul and not just 2008. remember my posts today and mark this down for 2012. If rp doesnt win in 2008 the american people will get another 4 years of another puppet of the power structure. RP will still be here and his popularity will grow stronger each day. Im banking on this and i predict that by 2012 gtech will be on our side voting for truth
BTW I found out about RP I believe originally from my wife to be honest, I also read alot of weight lifting forums where he has TONS of support. I almost can't believe there isn't a weight lifter for RP group 'maybe there is?' Those guys absolutely LOVE HIM. Guerilla is the man here on RP, he was talking about RP way before I ever brought him up and helped me decide to support him.
Here's how I understand things. Saddam and his regime at one time definitely had WMD and we know he used them at various times during his dictatorship. The first gulf war did not finish the job and completely remove Saddam (and ensure all his WMD were destroyed). Since Saddam acted like the arrogant dictator he was, he played cat and mouse with UN resolutions and inspections throughout the 90's and early 00's. After 9/11, the political environment shifted. No longer was it acceptable to have actionable intelligence about a Middle East dictator with WMD and the potential to give those WDM to terrorists and not "act" on it. Since Saddam was under mandate to dismantle his WMD and would not provide the evidence he had done so, he became a target in the post-9/11 climate. He was given multiple opportunities to comply and was warned repeatedly to stop preventing inspectors from doing their jobs or face "dire consequences". Finally, GWB and his staff decided they had enough of Saddam's crap. It was time to enforce the UN resolutions and remove Saddam. Please read the charges in the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq passed by both the Senate and Congress. America, and a few allies, went to war. When Saddam's regime was overthrown and his army devastated, we found no substantial WMD. Where did they go? Why did Saddam stonewall inspectors? How could the intelligence be wrong about the current WMD status in Iraq? A lot of questions came out of the invasions, good questions. Some Democrats, seeing political opportunity, jumped immediately on this problem and started claiming "we were lied to". Disregarding the evidence presented for nearly 15 years on Iraq and the WMD estimations, the Democrats started screaming "George Bush lied". I cannot answer where the stockpiles went. Saddam's dead, the country is trying to rebuild, and America faces a tough challenge in the region. Ultimately, GWB and his staff believed it was in the best interest of our Nation to act against Saddam. In hindsight it is easy to find fault with assumptions made. Was there a rush to judgment? Was the intelligence good enough to act upon? The level of scrutiny in the post-9/11 environment (remember all the crap GWB got for certain intelligence memos and not doing anything?) made the cat and mouse game all the more unacceptable. Yeah, no substantial amount of WMD were found. I find it hard to believe they all just disappeared so either the intel was 100% wrong or Saddam shipped it all somewhere (Syria? Russia?). We may never know. Nothing about the above makes me want to change my opinion and vote for the simplistic foreign policy objectives of Ron Paul. Because mistakes were made does not mean America should disengage from the world and our allies. It does mean we need to completely revamp the CIA (and other intel depts).
Im very sorry but now your dealing in speculation and conspiracy. Let me ask you another question here. Why do you think that our government didnt tell us that they were planning on violently taking out mossadegh from iran in the 1950's, why do yopu think they didnt tell us about the gulf of tonkin, why do you think they didnt tell us about nasm 55, 56 and 57 263 and 273. Are you really naive enough to believe that they care what you think. Why do u think that they didnt find any al queda in iraq????????/ Are u seriously that naive and ill informed to believe that saddam would join forces with his mortal enemy osama who he hated even more than he hated us. Man like i told gtech, i need to start a country of my own and have 2 million people like u in it. I would be able to get them to do anyt5hing for me under the guise of patriotism and honor. the perfect puppet, pull the strings and they automatically believe what u tell them. Havent you read enough to understand how many times you have been lied to. Why do you think people forced the freedom of information act from teh government. Thank god there are informed people in our country that are starting to wake up and understand that saddam had nothing to do with 9-11. man your unreal lol
So that's your cop-out now? I write specifically, deal with the issues, agree we didn't find any substantial amounts of WMD and you call it speculation and conspiracy? My reply stands and I'm not going to keep playing games with you nor am I going to try to answer for every perceived misstep in US foreign policy for the last 200+ years. Stick with the facts, I like RP on numerous issues but believe his foreign policy position makes him a poor choice for President.
Back in the good old days when Saddam had chemical weapons... http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg
I suppose, but if you read up on the history of Saddam, it's pretty clear he was a total piece of human garbage from Day 1. It's not like he suddenly became an @sshole, he just turned against the US. Read up on him, it's pretty interesting the stuff. http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/4/10/205859.shtml .
Saddam was certainly not the only ally that turned the tables, Bin Laden did too. Those that didn't but brought back a lot of misery and much unpopularity was the Shah of Iran, The South Vietnam regime etc. You are propping out those regimes that their population hated, when these guys were gone, you find yourself hated to the core.
Saddam Hussein would have never attacked the US. He was primary interested in maintaining his own dictatorship and self preservation. Imperialism was no longer an option for him after what happened in Kuwait. And any fool could see that launching an attack on the US Mainland as a leader of a sovereign nation would be suicide. Therefore Saddam Hussein was not a threat to the US or other sovereign nations in the area. As crazy as he was, he was not blindly stupid. More lives have probably been lost during the war than under Saddam Hussein's regime. You have a Shiite Theocracy now ruling Iraq. Private contractors get paid far higher at the expense of supplying proper equipment to US Military and support for readjustment for into normal American life for veterans. Most of the private contractors are inefficient wastrels of tax payer money, which is almost always the case when it comes to government contracts. Some have even been involved in human trafficking. All of this will amount to trillions of dollars that the children and grand children of baby boomers will have to pay for. Of course this is all hindsight but the problem still remains and is set to continue because nothing is being done about it and many candidates support the continuation of the war. Had the Powell Doctrine been followed a lot of these problems would have never existed. Nation building is what the Soviets use to do and look what happened to them - bankruptcy.
The idea that any of these countries (Iraq, North Korea, Iran, etc) are going to attack America is just preposterous. It's amazing that anyone bought/buys into that. People keep forgetting that we were not attacked by a COUNTRY on 9/11. America was attacked by a small group of terrorists who were motivated by our military being in the middle east. The idea that the best way to stop terrorism is to start wars with a bunch of countries who are absolutely no threat to us is just... insane. If you really look at it logically, it's not even close to the right thing to do if we actually wanted to make America safer. But I don't think that's what any of this is about really.