"Tough choices, end occupation of Arab Land"

ok lets look at what happened here very carefully
me and north were saying that there are people in all sides that are against peace and i named a few like ahmadinejad hamas and hezbollah.
then you came and interjected that he should not agree with me on this issue
why? what part are you objecting to?
you said that i call the people that oppose this process warmongers?
you pick the name
you are either for peace and trying to achive it or not. there is no in between.

i am willing to discuss with you any one of the outstanding issues in israeli arab conflict and show you the solution that i see

 

Sounds like someone else.


A silly set up where people either agree with your position or are not for peace. Right, just like if you don't agree with Bush you are for the terrorists. I find it truly funny that you are trying to use that same lame argument.

 

i will have to apologize for saying that. it is just he gets my blood boiling
i would like to ammend it like this
i can not see how someone be for peace and yet oppose negotiation for trying to achive it.

 

Thanks for clarifying the language. I think many more people can find agreement in your newer statement.

I agree that there will be no peace without negotiations.

 

Not at all what I did. I said for him to watch out because you claim everyone is against peace if they don't agree with EVERYTHING you say. (just in different words)

I haven't seen one of those you accuse, including me, say that they were against the peace process, that has always been your assumption or your judgement.

 

I have to agree, he claimed such once or twice for me, just because i can't see peace working out with so many forces at play.

The above is like pizza saying humans could find a cure to all diseases by Monday (great thing like peace) then me claiming i don't think it will happen, then he claims i'm for diseases

 

Can we, this little microcosm of conflict, just agree:

that peace will assuredly not happen without negotiation, regardless of the difficulties inherent in obtaining negotiation;
that all sides are going to have to yield; and
assurances are going to have to be sustainable by writ of coalitions back home?

 

It is difficult to leave the conflict for the future when you see people living in bondage, being killed and harassed everyday. It is a shame Human brains have still not matured even in the 21st century.

 

I agree with you. This is what had happened at Camp David.

There is no sincerity on both sides. It is the average people who are suffering because of this.

I don't believe there ever will be an independent Palestine. It is impossible, when Palestinians get only 14% of their historic homeland, where they have no control over their borders, their ports, their airspace, or even their water supply.

The only viable option is creation of a secular state, "Greater Israel", with equal rights to all Israelis and Palestinians living there. Any attempt to subdue justice or equal rights would never lead to peace.

 

I absolutely agree...

Thats correct 100%

But I don't think there will be a politician willing to do this, because successful politicians are most likely "corrupt"

Only the International community, with the backing of America has the power to do this. US has always given its unconditional support to Israel, and that is the main reason there has never been peace.

Let us wait and watch, what the leaders in the US decide. Everything depends on them.

 

+1
i have listened to similar talk from the founder of EFE
Those guys came here from the Department of State in order to teach people and train them for the job .. They proved success in Ireland in the past to stop the war , and now they are proving success here in Jordan.

When people get education and job then they will have responsibilities in life and their life will become busy

I hope this method will be applied in all countries that have wars.

 

Why are you piqued?

To me the Palestine-Trans Jordan solution is the best. Israel goes back to the 1967 boundaries more or less and West Bank/Gaza is incorporated into Jordan. In what country was the West Bank in 1967?

After 9/11 I didn't have any hate for muslims or arabs. I did't take the attacks personal. We were in a cold war with the communists but I didn't hate the Russians. I was a working in World Trade Tower No . 1 until July 2001 and know plenty of people that were in there on 9/11 when the plane hit. They all got out.

 

See No. 3. "Piqued" was a compliment to your post.

I don't understand why you are saying this.

 

I was just wondering about 'piqued' but wasn't taking any offense.

I just mentioned 9/11 to relate my past experiences to the current war on terror.

 

I was thinking that you meant piqued in 'curiosity' about the Palestine-TransJordan solution.

In any of these discussions 9/11 is always in the back of our minds.

 

Please don't take my question the wrong way. You are one of the better posters on the P&R and I was in no way in a negative frame of mind.

I'm sorry to hear about your cousin. My brother in-law was on the 44th floor but he got out. He came out black with all the dust. Antbody could have been a victim. If the terrorists had hit later when the buildings were full, there would have been 20,000 dead. On paper it was supposed to take 2 hours to evacuate but in pratice it was more like 6-8 hours.