I'm still waiting on the proof that what this White Power person said is accurate. I myself will not take the word of a white power type to bash a war veteran, especially without proof
Kudos to grim! He actually took the time to show that guerilla's comments have NOT been debunked, and admits there is nothing to indicate white nationalists are involved in the link I posted! What a pleasant and unexpected surprise! This is a little off topic, but some might find it useful
Not at all Gtech, what is to debunk? There is no 'proof' at all, btw there was info posted as to debunking it. But I know you, you'd rather take a WN's word to trash a war vet No proof, hell that's ok! White Power type, hell that's ok. Bashing a war vet, hell yeah as long as it works on Gtechs side! Still waiting on that proof Gtech, take it you have none?
The proof has been posted. Denying such, and repeatedly claiming for such, represents a consistent pattern of dishonesty and delusion. I do expect this from some though. Trying to turn the burden of "proof" around onto others is a lazy strategy and someone who believes they have the moral high ground and could rationally debate the proof to discredit it, wouldn't use such eighth grade tactics. However, someone with intelligence and the ability to address the "allegations" which included Ron Paul's own words, in these racist newsletters, would rise above such obvious sophomoric attempts at dismissal and pretending not to see anything. To follow up on the assertion that guerilla made, that this has been debunked (most often, he attempts to cite the NYT without a source), here is what they said: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/27/pageoneplus/27correx.html In other words, the NYT did not do any debunking here. What they did, as I've said numerous times before, is withdraw, because they did not investigate and probably did not want to spend money doing so, when RP continues to hover at 3% national support. So, we're back to square one, despite grim's noble efforts to run interference for guerilla. There has been NO debunking of what the NYT originally posted, which was a summary of what a white nationalist said. Many have tried to dismiss it with the "megaphone" effort, but as I've shown on this one, Bill White did not take the screen capture of his post. So many things continue to add up, and so many (unlike some real ron paul supporters over on his forums), refuse to ask legitimate questions, because they don't care. It's not that they would drop their support because of his uncovered racial opinions, it's because they DO SUPPORT him BECAUSE of them. And that's sad.
The new republic says Ron Paul wrote that stuff. Ron Paul says someone else wrote it under his name. You can believe what you want but actions speak louder than words and everything Ron Pauls done in congress and as a doctor speak far different than the style in those newsletters. Plus the NY times(a far more respectable news source than the new republic) that covered this story last year even came to the conclusion that the writings weren't in Ron Pauls style.(link to NYT article) @gtech:all that NYT corrections says is Ron Paul was against what the white nationalist said the one time he met him and that he didn't in fact go to any meetings with them.
Gtech you are attempting to use quotes of articles for proof of this meeting? Can you at least admit there is no proof of this meeting with the WN? Until then it's obvious you are simply blind and no sense in really taking you seriously BTW 'unverified assertions' are not 'proof' So yet again it appears you take the word of a white power type to trash a war vet. How very sad. I thought you supported the military and vets, guess I was wrong. --- BTW I am not trying to run interference for anyone Gtech. I want proof that this happened or for you to man up and admit there is no proof RP ever met with this WN. Are you man enough?
The Tara Thai restaurant is 0.2 miles from the Virginia campaign office. FEC filings show that the campaign made purchases there infrequently, but not on Wednesdays as Bill White claims. It's never good to get your info from HotAir or LittleGreenFootballs. Those are hardcore neo-conservative smear blogs. HotAir was wrong about the "Alex Jones payment" scandal, they created, and LGF is wrong about the Bill White assertion. Particularly in light the fact that the Robert Taft Club in NY was filmed by CNN the night Dr. Paul spoke, and I've already addressed Bay Buchanan. It's a sad day when so called, "conservatives" try to smear supporters of, "Mr. Republican" Robert Taft. Of course the funniest part of the smear developed and perpetuated by LGF, is that they call Marcus Epstein a white supremacist, and he is a half Asian Jew. Now I don't know about you, but Nazi's meeting in a Thai restaurant, and Half Asian Jewish White Supremacists seem much more like a joke than a conspiracy, to me. But then, neo-conservatives have to clutch at straws, don't they.
So we're back to suggesting that RP is innocent of all these racial newsletters and that he never met with racist groups, because someone believes the sources are "smear blogs?" How does that work? You use "huffpo" to "smear" others for months on end, then when they expose something about your candidate, suddenly the favored source is "smearing" YOUR candidate? kingjacob, I disagree. I quoted exactly what the NYT correct said. There is simply no reason or excuse I can come up with, other than to alter reality/truth, to suggest it says something it does not. Further on this issue, is the direct quotes copied out of those newsletters, where Ron Paul is speaking in the first person and addressing the audience. What possible explanation is there, for this? Why does the newsletter talk about his family, in the first person, while addressing the audience? Again, I take issue with the assertion guerilla made that the WN claiming that Ron Paul is one of them, has been debunked. Why do I continue to miss this? Even if Bill White got the date (only) wrong, Tuesday vs Wednesday, it is not "debunked." Other than continued "dismissal and denial" where is the proof THAT story has been debunked?
Source please. You'll forgive me for not trusting you, when making outlandish claims. I'd like to see a source where there were Half Asian Jewish White Supremacists at these meetings. Somehow, I missed that
Having Gtech admit to anything is as difficult as having Bush stitch together a cohesive sentence. Good luck on both. How can one address any issues when Gtech will always find a way to spin things and never admit to anything.
I don't admit to falsehoods for a popularity contest. I'm not like grim. I'll check back later and see if any ron paul supporter is brave enough, like those on his forums, to address this issue with some intellectual honesty.
I'm done in this thread. Any serious RP supporter heard about these claims months ago, researched them on his/her own, and made their own conclusions. There is no resolution of this matter that ends with you ever admitting you are wrong, God himself could come down from the heavens and you'd still be convinced Ron's a racist; that's your every right. I just won't entertain your idiocy any longer. Ron Paul: Peace, Prosperity, and Justice.
'popularity contest' Gtech you have been owned on that time and time again. So it's a 'falsehood' that there is no proof about the White Power meetings? Gtech if you want me and others to take you seriously here you're going to have to admit certain things such as this, otherwise all YOU come off as is someone who is trying to bash RP and who is unable to tell the truth. As long as it bashes RP it's 'fact' to you without any proof. I'll check back later to see if you're brave enough to simply admit there is no proof of the White Power meetings. It's not that hard to do Gtech. You know as well as I do that there is no proof. If you want to take the word of a white power type to bash a war vet that is up to you, but at least be honest here about there not being proof. Otherwise as usual I wont even bother taking any of your posts seriously
Gtech, all the info in those articles is inconclusive. White says Paul was there, Paul says he never knowingly met White. So unless someone does more research to find concrete proof for or against eithers statements you are going to have to make your own conclusions. If you want to know my conclusions keep reading if you dont care to know them stop here. The thing the new republic is trying to prove is that Ron Paul is a "Racist" and active member of "white nationalism". If he was as active a member as White is trying to say, you would think one of the newspapers or news sites would be printing photos/videos or at least more hard proof than one guy's word. As for the Racist part, I have lived in Texas for the last 12 years and have met quite a few racists,most of them, even the most blatant racists, are perfectly normal people until they say something racist. But I have never met a racist who actively fights against racism. If Ron Paul is secretly a racist (which I doubt but Ive never met him ) why do all his actions and words say the exact opposite?
Ron Paul with Wolf Blitzer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7FwULXnM_E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvzsiESqVss Some people around here have trouble evaluating evidence and believe anything a man like Bill White says about Ron Paul, yet if you say anything about the fascist government ruling the United States and the plans for the NAU, etc., they call you are a conspiracy theorist
all this talk, and yet RP is still at 4%....so when is he going to "break out"? http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ial_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll