Frank Luntz another neocon traitor working against America

What you fail to understand that how can you tell if he is a regular good "Jew" (since in your book you can either be a good Jew or a Zionist therefore a not a Jew but Zionist) or a Zionist Jew (bad in your book)? You don't expect him to put Zionist Jew under his religion now do you? You can't be that naive son. I've made a connection between some Jews (they don't go around for your convenience and just simply say it that they are Zionists or that their interests are to support, protect and side with Israel, NOT the USA, just look at the foreign policies they push and their agendas), you are so blinded by the BS of Jew or Zionists Jew that you keep missing the bigger picture time and time and time again. For every conflict that we are involved in the Middle East just look at who benefits and who is paying for it and who is promoting and pushing for those conflicts and study the people that push theese agendas and policies and the answer will be crystal clear, unless of course you are a buffoon. I gave you a list of some names for you to do some homework on, but I see you are just not interested in that prospect. Instead of focusing your energy on hating and painting ALL Muslims as terrorists and violent people and clearing the name of TRAITORS that should be tried for treson that are ruining our country let me remind you again the United States of America, you resort to wasting your time and mine by trying to paint me as anti Jewish indescriminantly.

Here is your homework assignment again. Now if you are a patriot do your country a service and do some research on these names, and when you are finished I'll give you another list.
Jonathan Pollard, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, John Lehman, Douglas Feith

 

You guys should go to Miami Beach and hang with some of the orthodox Jews there

 

Chill out folks. This is a non-issue.

 

Guru, you can keep repeating the mantra "some" Jews, but you have never answered any question put to you on the thread to refute your own words, namely that all Jews are worthy of opprobrium. It doesn't seem to matter, doesn't help you that your own words condemn you, and to be honest I'm sick of spoon feeding - anyone interested has only to actually read this thread, a scant few posts, to see the ridiculousness of your attempts.

I roundly condemned D16 and his ilk for not having the guts to be intellectually honest on this forum. Guru is no different, in my mind, and I would expect the same level of scrutiny on his thoughts, as expressed on this forum, as I would anyone - myself first of all.

(By the way - I realize it's very difficult for you to see that with every post, you betray exactly my point:

-why not just "zionists [sic] Jew? Isn't it zionism that really sends your heartbeat into a lather? Isn't this the same thing as making an equally ridiculous statement, such as "the b.s. of Muslims or terrorist Muslims"? I'll answer. Yes. But it serves to show the frailty, and unfortunate racism of your point.

I will ask anyone, since experience has shown guru isn't capable: Anyone reading this thread. If you believe in individual liberty, then how can you remain silent in the face of this kind of racism, disgusting in the extreme? Silence in this instance is as bad as silence in the instance of someone saying that by "religion of peace" he didn't mean "Islam." Hypocrisy doesn't have a political ideology.

 

Skirting the underlying issues I see, again. Forget for a minute what I think and just research those names I gave you. And just for the record I have NEVER EVER labeled ALL Jews are bad I've just made a connection between some Jews (Zionist or not nobody knows for sure, but their actions speak volumes, what matters is when they undermine our political and economical system to benefit a certain country).

Let me add these names to your list:
Jack Abramoff, Kenneth Adelman, Henry Kissinger, Elliott Abrams, Richard Haass

Can you compile me a list of Muslims that have infiltrated our government to benefit say Palestine?

 

No, actually it very much is an issue. I, for one, won't scrutinize the thoughts of someone like D16, for instance, while giving this kind of crap a fly-by. It is hypocrisy in the extreme, is gutless, and I don't work that way.

Your silence now, for instance, Gauharjk. You indicated Toopac's statement indicates that all Muslims are terrorists. In my mind, it was a simple logical issue:

You raised the question to the logical fallacy. Yet you now say, "this is a non-issue." Why do you remain silent when a question you raised was addressed, and now say, "it's a non-issue"?

 

So are you enough of a patriot to take me up on my offer on doing some research on those names or what? Just for your own piece of mind just spend no more than an hour today on Wolfowitz alone just to get your feet wet.

 

I take issue with Guru's intellectual dishonesty.

Bullshit. For the umpteenth time in this thread alone:

The obviousness of the problem seems to be difficult for people, as the silence is deafening.

Another member said he's a Jew, and not a Zionist.
Guru asked him, "what's the difference?"

I call that racism. Color it how you will, and torture the logic how you would, but nothing's changed. Stand up and say something, or live with your hypocrisy.

 

C'mon NPT... Don't drag me into it.

@Guru-seo
What is your point guru? Jews are good people. Please don't attack them.
Why would you want to fall to the level of "Neocons"?

We have to respect people of all religions and cultures. Work for Peace, not to incite hatred.

Peace

 

Still skirting the main issue I see, again. Quick question are you Jewish by any chance? And if you are, do you consider yourself a Zionist or just a straight up Jew? And if I ask you what's the difference? As in to find out more about the difference how does that make me a racist? You need to calm down and slow down and stop making false claims.

Again will you take me up on the offer to do your country a service or what? Forget me. But do not forget your country!

 

Gauharjk - I am not dragging you, or anyone, into it. You took issue with a post, I explained the post, then you said, "well, it's all a non-issue." I take issue with that.

Obviously, the issue of intellectual honesty has been up my ass of late. I am thoroughly pissed off that we spout our opinions all day long, then run for cover if those opinions are brought before a full light. How are we to have any kind of a real discussion under that kind of behavior?

My discussions with you, for instance, Gauharjk, regarding the protests in London, and your faith. Incredibly interesting to me, and I learned a good deal. Did that bridge of understanding come from either one of us shrinking from asking, and telling, the truth, as we knew it?

No.

 

northpointaiki
Again will you take me up on the offer to do your country a service or what? Forget me. But do not forget your country!

 

Oh, this is priceless. Guru is now "seeking information." And D16 "didn't mean Islam," by saying "Religion of Peace."

Of course, there is the problem that he made these statements a helluva long time ago, I called him on it, and have called on it several times since - numerous times in this thread alone. And not once has he denied:

-and now, Magic! "I really really really meant it's all just an innocent question, man!!!" "I really really wanna know more about Jews...really!"

No, there isn't a problem with intellectual dishonesty.

 

northpointaiki - stop skirting the main issue.
Again will you take me up on the offer to do your country a service or what? Forget me. But do not forget your country!



You are quoting the yourself here buddy not me! I never said those words. And that was your YOUR conclusion. You best fix your post above.

 

Oh, Lordy. Guru's right - guess I have reposted the damn thing so many times, my eyes are now cross-eyed. Let me say it clearly, on into infinity, since I've posted it to nearly infinity already:

I, Northpointaiki, WROTE:

I'm smart enough to distinguish guru's blinders from an evaluation of a given candidate's program on the merits. But he sure makes it easy to ascribe a blind anti-Jewish bent to his followers, from those predisposed to such judgment.

 

Thanks for clearing that up. Now back to basics.

northpointaiki
Again will you take me up on the offer to do your country a service or what? Forget me. But do not forget your country!

P.S. You still seem keen on not answering the original questions.

1. Quick question are you Jewish by any chance? And if you are, do you consider yourself a Zionist or just a straight up Jew?
2. Can you compile me a list of Muslims that have infiltrated our government to benefit say Palestine?

 

Guru, I realize it's hard to grasp, but beyond the fact I entered your screwed up thread pointing out your hypocrisy - that was the original question, unanswered to date, I'm not addressing you because you are not honest. I am sick of talking with dishonest people on the forum.

All others, if you'd care, my views are, I think, clear, by reference to any number of threads on the subject.

 

WOW! I think you JUST answered my questions. When you get desperate you simply try to discredit the other person and call him names. You just called me dishonest you realize that right? Whereas all along I have stood my ground for my beliefs and what I have said NOT what you say I say, and have been an open book. I think I got you figured out pretty well M8. You're up there with Gtech in terms of the hypocrisy and skirting the questions. So you did not like the answer that you would get from my straight forward questions and now just simply accuse me of being dishonest to avoid answering the questions and trying to close the case. So next time you talk of "intellectual dishonesty" look in the mirror first pal!
Can you spot your buddies on this vid? I'll give you a hint 3:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXgAbrhAI7I

 

I am extremely confused here, so are you actually trying to draw a connection because the guy is jewish or what?

There are lobbyists for everything now adays, not just jewish, but everything.

 

Making a connection between some Jews that have infiltrated our government to start Illegal wars on behalf of Israel. Iraq war comes to mind and the so called Iran as part of the "Axis of Evil" BS! Who stands to benefit from all of this? Certainly not you and I or my friends that are in Iraq right now and tell me that they don't even know WTF they are doing there.

Example:
When there is a crime you look for a motive and a trail. So I did. And I did not find a connection of Iraq to 9/11 or WMDs, but I did find that Wolfowitz a corrupt Israeli spy had been pushing for war plans with Iraq pre 9/11 so did Richard Perle another Israeli spy.
Who stands to benefit without paying a dime for taking out their enemies? Israel! Now that they got Iraq in chaos, can you guess who they are trying to go after next? You guessed it right Iran! What is Iran? Another enemy of who else? Israel! Who pays for all these endeavours? Americans with their lives and American tax payers with their sweat! Who's pushing for these wars? The Israeli lobby and their spies. I also did not find any Muslims inflitrating our government or lobbying our senators to start wars around certain parts of the world.

But watch just because I raise some pretty valid point I will get attacked, called names, accused of being a Jew hater all sorts of things just cause they don't like to hear the truth. If you are an American it should be natural to lookout for America 1st!