SEO Title question

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by Tudi, Jan 8, 2008.

  1. #1
    Ok, so Google only displays 65 characters from the <title> tag. What happens if I do this:

    Company - keyword 1, keyword 2, keyword 3, short description.............................................................................keyword 1 keyword 2, keyword 3,keyword 4 keyword 5, keyword 6,keyword 7 keyword 8, keyword 9,keyword 10

    Replace ....... with empty spaces. So the whole title won't be seen in the SERPS, it will look like a normal title. But will the keywords beyond the dots be indexed? Will they count towards the ranking?
     
    Tudi, Jan 8, 2008 IP
  2. sogastic

    sogastic Peon

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    #2
    if the limit is 65 then google bot also reads the first 65 letters. that huge space wont make any difference. Theres only 2 options. It skips the spaces or it notices that theres a huge cap and will stop reading.
     
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  3. simplyg123

    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    #3
    If you try to trick google by using tricks like these they will penalize you. Your best bet is to have solid content, and a legit site
     
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  4. experienceadvertising

    experienceadvertising Peon Affiliate Manager

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    #4
    Keep your title tags and other metas very focused on what your pages are about. Make sure your page content is well written and original.
     
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    crystak Well-Known Member

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    #5
    If you focus on that many keywords, you won't get anywhere. It's better to have only your main keywords in the title.
     
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  6. simplyg123

    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    #6
    this is true, i believe the term is keyword weight, the more keywords you have the harder it is to reach decent SERP, if you focus on one phrase or word, you will do much better
     
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  7. Tudi

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    #7
    I use three tiers of keywords, main, secondary and long tail. All of them could be related and appear in the title tag. But my question was if Google indexes the whole title or not.

    I don't want the whole "play by the rules" pep talk, I know this wouldn't be "moral". I was just wondering if anyone tried this trick as a blackhat method :)
     
    Tudi, Jan 8, 2008 IP
  8. Philopoemen

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    #8
    That is not just "blackhat", that is also silly and 99.9% that won't get you ANY benefits at all.
    I'm sure Google or any other SEs filter crappy titles and long page titles.
     
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  9. MyEasySEO.com

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    #9
    Tudi,

    Philopoemen is right. What you want to try is called keyword stuffing (though it usually happens in the page itself, and not the title tag). Keyword stuffing will get your site banned very fast in Google and other major SEs. I would not try this strategy if I were you: it will not be successful, and it will actually harm you more than it would help you.
     
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  10. Tudi

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    Idd, I didn't want to try it. It's definitely something that a SE picks up. I was just curious if someone tried this and what the result was (increased rank, no effect or ban/penalty :p).

    I actually had some success with keyword stuffing. I got a major boost in the SERPs but I gradually went down. I learnt that it's not smart to try to outsmart Google :)
     
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    mymaldives Well-Known Member

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    #11
    For the title, characters are counted including space. Normally the characters exceeding the limit will be truncated and simply will not have any benefit.

    Make your title attractive to visitors (include only important keywords, no stuffing) , so they would click it!

    Tip: To gain higher SERP, you need more visitors clicking on your site (make your title catchy)
     
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  12. sultanofseo

    sultanofseo Notable Member

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    #12
    your title tag should have only your primary keyword and at the most one secondary keyword to make it most efficient. you can use the primary keyword twice but thats about it. it is due to meta tag abuse google stopped reading them before. i see they are reading them now, atleast title and description
     
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    w3bmaster Notable Member

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    #13
    3-5 main keyphrases in the title is the way to go separated by | or -
     
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  14. bobchrist

    bobchrist Active Member

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    #14
    I think before adding keywords go on testing different keywords and see which rank higher.
     
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  15. Tudi

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    #15
    I'm not planning to use this technique, I was just wondering how SE's interpret it. My formula for title tags is:

    Keyword 1, Keyword 2 - Name-of-site, short description (with keyword 1 in it)

    I found it working great so far. I also had some results with title stuffing, but only on short-term.
     
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  16. Philopoemen

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    It is not recommended to have more than 6-7 words in your title. I think 4-5 is the best.
     
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  17. Matsuri

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    #17
    I wouldn't try it. Its scary...lol
     
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    #18
    it is not advisable to stuff all your keywords in your title... It won't do you any good..
     
    zeruel, Jan 9, 2008 IP
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    #19
    I will not use name of site in my title tag rather i will try to use most important& appropriate keywords which will describe my site better.

    You title should be mirror of your site.
     
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  20. Tudi

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    #20
    Not if you want to brand your site. If you do want to create a brand, having the name-of-site in the title is a must in my opinion.
     
    Tudi, Jan 9, 2008 IP