Religion, the truth or a horrible lie?

Is there an out of context website that you people go to get all this crap. You pick one or two versus totally out of context, and give it totally the wrong meaning.

the previous verses
"Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 10:32-33, KJV)

the immediate result of the gospel is frequently conflict with the modern world, whether 30 AD or 2008 AD. Conversion to Christ can result in strained family relationships, persecution, and even martyrdom. Following Christ presupposes a willingness to endure such hardships. The sword is a metaphor of struggle. Jesus demands total commitment from his followers.

well misinterpretation leads to false doctrine and hell

That mis interpretation is what disqualifies him. Darkness and light can not coexist

 

There is no "context", Only interpretation.

 

According to you. Who are you again??

Ohhhh! That's right....the guy who's never wrong

 

I don't know who he thanks he is, but i know he is smarter than the pitiful arguments he is bringing to this debate, its quite sad to see an intelligent person work in reverse.

I mean here you have a Jehovah Witness and a christian which have quite a bit of difference in doctrine and belief, but we can see the obvious, which is Hitler was not christian nor was his "interpretation" of the bible correct.

 

I agree. It is a shame that his use of "science" and "logic" is distorted by his disgust in religion as whole. Just goes to show how limited some are when it comes to opening their eyes to what's actually going on globally. Digging oneself into a den, bunker, room and arguing, debating on the internet with people and not really knowing the individuals one is dealing with, is so sad to see.

I can't understand why these one's just can't let go and say "Fair enough, you have your views and I have mine, let's leave it at that."

 

Your interpretation isn't correct. It's simply the most common interpretation.
Think of it like clouds. If ten people look at a cloud, 9 see an elephant and one sees a basket of fruit, Who is "right"? Nobody is. Because it is neither and both. just like the bible. Like i keep explaining. People get from it whatever they are looking for. If you are looking for a story about a camp hippy and his 12 man friends you can find it, If you are looking for justification for killing 6 million jews, You can find that also.

 

The bible says thall shall not kill. How can that be misinterpreted?

The bible says love thy neighbor, How can that be equal to kill them all?

The bible says turn the other cheek, How can that equal, kill all the Jews?

If someone misinterpreted these things They had no business running a country

I know Hitler was nuts, but your putting him on a level with a 3 year old, because he must have been pretty stupid to misunderstand these things.

Now I'm going to ask you nicely to stop mocking My God, quit with the childish name calling, it doesn't help people take you seriously, which is quite impossible as it is.

 

Again..... All you are doing is focusing on the passages and teachings that reflect what you already believe. Which is what hitler done, With a different interpretation of different passages.

You are refuting the claim that you interpret selected passages in the bible by simply posting your interpretations of selected passages. You are doing the very thing i accuse you of.

if the bible consisted of one sentence; "don't kill anyone", i would agree that it can't be interpreted and it's meaning is clear. But it isn't a book containing one sentence, It's an enormous collection of books containing an enormous amount of words and is open to an enormous amount of interpretation. By posting your interpretation and selecting passages that you agree with you are proving nothing, proving nothing besides the point I am making.

 

Your logic has totally bewildered me. Now i know why you are an atheist. You are a really confused individual.

Your right there isn't one verse saying not to kill, there are multiple verses stating not to kill, Hitlers interpretation was a mis interpretation, how do i know that? Context. Context Context Context.

You cant read a sentence in a book, and think you know the story.

 

Yet you posted sentences and claimed they reflected the entirety of the bible and the entirety of it's message.

 

I can paste the whole bible and it will lead to the same conclusion, the bible does not condone killing, it plainly states that it is evil. Jesus goes as far as saying that even if you think badly of someone its a sin. Murder begins in the mind and in the heart, if you think the thought you are just as guilty at heart.

Stox, you are one of those guys that will never admit when he is wrong, this thread has made that very clear. There is no uses continuing, you deny the obvious, and attach the most far fetched theories i could imagine. Good luck to you and God Bless

 

You're telling foolish things...Bible isn't not God's eye but human's history of God existance with some errors may be...God is inside ourselves not in the Bible...How can you explain me that our Planet is so correctly created? so harmonious... Do you think all this appeared from nothing...There is the highest power and justice that we can't understand in detail...

 

Oh...so the leader of your nation (the Christian who says that America is "One nation under god") who is supposedly a heart warming, god obeying Christian sent 1000's of his own soldiers off to die and killed over 2 million innocent people? That sounds like a really god loving thing to do....typical of religious people to say they would never "sin" and then go slay a million people. Just like the contradictions found in the bible....Oh he killed millions but in the end he's still a good man!!!

Well yeah dude, from a totally different perspective, let's just say that you were conscripted into the army and you had NO choice but to kill an enemy solider. It was either you kill the enemy soldier or you be killed by your own team mates. What would a REAL Christian do? I'm sure there have been millions of Christians who've been sent to war and killed other people....but wait they're not REAL Christians because they killed someone.

Oh and what about all those Christians who insulted and killed homosexuals? God apparently hates homosexuals, so are the Christians right to kill them too? Are they right to kill negro people too?

It's absolute chaos and there must be like a billion different types of Christians because some so really bad stuff and some are really peaceful :S Of course you'll all say that you're peaceful etc.... but what about the one's who aren't on DP? Please explain.

 

A real Christian would not engage in, or have anything to do with wars. Many true Christians have been sent to jail or even been killed for refusing to take part in warfare. The Bible's principles on this is very clear.

 

First off, we didnt go to war to rid the world of innocent people (As did Hitler), we went to rid the world of bad people(Saddam). If you cant understand that i need not talk to you further. God appoints the government and whether we like it or not we are supposed to obey what the government says

Romans 13:1-7

New American Standard Version

vs1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
vs2 Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
vs3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same; vs4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil.
vs5 Wherefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience sake." vs6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. vs7 Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.

 

I was thinking it was Bin Laden.

Is this sarcasm? What has the world come to that I have to ask such a stupid question?

 

Started with bin laden merged into Saddam

no not sarcasm, read the verses posted in my last statement

 

More like side tracked..

Thats what I thought and yes I did read it.

 

I find this notion to be almost inconceivably troubling, and a big part of why I believe we are in the mess we're in now. The implications?

Any action taken was sanctioned by God, through his "appointee." Destruction of the Earth? God ordered it.

I find that to be the most dangerous thinking yet to come to the mind of Man.

Well, sending troops off to war, because the ordained appointee of God acted in accord with God's wishes, for one.