You are a believer Col so you like to discuss about religion. But people like us, i.e. agnostics, don't find it interesting or useful.
Fair enough. I will only respond if a member is asking a question or if a member makes an incorrect statement about the Bible or God.
Hitler has nothing to do with God or the christian religion with all my respect for the german army from the second world war... important are our actions, if somebody kills in the name of God doesn't make it a christian, he kills in the name of ... crime god maybe but not in the name of the true God God is life and all known and unknown virtues toghether the rest is ...dark
great fictional work i wonder who came up with the god idea first. and if he possibly sold an E-slate with the idea on "How i made hundreds of {insert currency here} by making up some omnipotent being and claiming to represent him " resell rights included. then as per usual there was one guy who got hold of the idea and pushed it to its limits. called it the church i still find it incredulous that people believe any of these ideas anymore. isnt there enough proof to the contrary already??? how much do you need before you admit you were wrong?
A good start is to ask Adam I guess?? Too bad he's dead and he won't be getting a resurrection. E-slate....LOL...that's a good one...hehehehe
Its so sad that so many of you have developed an opinion on Christianity yet by the things you type, it seems you have no idea what its about. You compare that which was old, with that which is now, you compare an old law with a new law. You people who think the bible is about killing, bloodshed, and power, should really finish the book, because its obvious you haven't made it out of the old and into the new, where it teaches peace, love and submission. The old testament was meant for a cruel hardened people. It was a preparation for Jesus, and the new covenant
According to Hitlers interpretation it is supported, And i have already shown it. When the book is open to interpretation what authority do you have to claim that your, Or anyone's, interpretation of the passages and texts are what should be used when deciding if someone is a christian? You sound like Goering with your "I decide who is a christian" nonsense. Did i? Or did i say it's unfair to expect me to re-read it while thinking like a nazi so i can find passages Hitler would have related to. I done one better. I gave passages that Hitler himself said related to him and made his actions in line with christian life. His understanding of the passages are a matter of interpretation, but then, So are yours. If you claim that he isn't allowed to call himself a christian based on his interpretation of the text what gives you the right to decide who is a christian based on yours?
Stox, I again conclude with a realization of how useless it is to engage in a discussion with you. You will surely conclude you have somehow "won" an argument, because this is how you see discourse - a zero sum game, poised as a deathmatch between your own titanic intellect, and the insipid minds of all others. Beyond the fact that I come from an entirely different perspective, namely, to fully and generously engage an active and open mind with my own, the tragedy is how grossly you have made a misapprehension of your ability, because buddy, I say it plainly: you don't have the goods. Discussing with you, from a perspective of good faith, is like trying to reason with a block of stone - only the block of stone is on fire with a preacher's equally stony codus of faith.
If you want to conclude that YOU can't find anything in the bible that makes genocide of the jews acceptable i agree, That is your interpretation and one that mirrors my own. That however wasn't hitlers interpretation of the same book. So if hitlers interpretation is invalid why would your interpretation be so flawless that is can be the benchmark for judging who is and who is not a christian? You only want his interpretation to be invalid because if differs from your own. You are doing what the christians do (of course you are, You are an apologist), You simply don't like the idea that hitler could be a christian and don't see how it can be possible based on your interpretation of the bible. You are apparently blind to the fact that not everyone reads the bible with the eyes of north or in the light of north, So they may come to a different conclusion as to what the passages mean. That doesn't make your interpretation right and theirs wrong. it simply means the bible means everything and nothing at the same time, Based on who is reading it and what they want to find. There are no "true christians". There are christians who think like you do and there are christians who don't.
How can you still be stuck on this, part of being a Christian, is obeying God. Sure we fall short on many things, but any man that can kill another man, does not have Christ in him. You need to ask yourself, what qualifies one to be a Christian...while you ponder that, let me give you a hint, murder is not on the list. However after the murder, a man can repent and become christian. But a ,yes I'm going to say it, "true" Christian would not do such a thing.
And hitler clearly said in mien kampf "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator". Hitlers interpretation of the passages was different to yours, but that doesn't mean he didn't believe he was "obeying god" and less than you do or that his interpretation is any less correct than yours. Your entire argument is "hitler couldn't be christian because what he see in the bible differs from my own personal interpretation of it". Maybe Hitler would say you aren't a "true christian" because you aren't fighting those who oppressed and opposed your "lord". This is the main trouble with religion. There is something for everyone, Justification for anything can be found, And everyone believes their interpretation is the correct one.
His interpretation was off due to the lack of Christ in him, read the context of the bible and you will see how silly your argument is. To be completely honest, it doesnt take a saved man to figure out what jesus is about, and what he teaches. If he thought killing was ok, after reading the bible, he was not Christian, its not about interpretation, its about the ability to read and comprehend basic writing. His mind was obviously twisted, why shouldnt his understanding be.
See this is the problem. You only think (for want of a better word) that the bible isn't open to interpretation because you believe that your interpretation is the only valid one and any who disagrees with your interpretation must be wrong. You read the bible and see a story about some hippy dude walking around doing good things. Hitler read the bible and see a man fighting jewish oppression and "poison".
Like i said, he should have finished the bible, Hitler was insane, he couldn't even interpret reality correctly You know many Christian groups have different opinions about certain issues, but none, have ever said killing is OK. You can tell a Christian from his fruit, the bible teaches these fruits as being love (agape); joy (chara); peace (eirene); patience (makrothumia); kindness (chrestotes); goodness (agathosune); faithfulness (pistis); gentleness (prautes); self-control (enkrateia does this sound like adolf hitler to you? you want to know if he was a christian do a study on the fruits of the spirit
Like i keep saying. that is YOUR interpretation of what the bible teaches. When Hitler read it, but his own admissions and proven by what he said, He saw a man struggling against jewish "poison".
Its not mine, its every scholar, and Christian in his right mind, its the interpretation of men who have dedicated their lives to the understanding of it. You are holding on to one mans twisted, insane, views, and associating it to the true meaning of Christianity. If you read "see spot run" would you interpret it to "see spot walk" because this is basically what you are saying. The new covenant is of love and peace, not war and death You need to let go of this one and except it, you have been defeated by truth. Hitler was not a Christian. I have outlined for you what it means to be christian, and Hitler doesn't fit the criteria. period.
Hitler and Bush have a lot in common amongst the many? Hitler started a crusade against Jews, Bush started a crusade against Muslims.
thanks for demonstrating that you have failed to grasp the very essence of what i am saying. I'm not saying hitlers views are the true meaning of christianity. I am saying there is no real true meaning of christianity because everyone who reads the bible interprets it differently. Re-read that bit in bold until you have a sense that you at least partially understand what it means. Jesus says - "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." I guess that makes you not a "true christian". *accept. If anything has defeated me it's you inability to understand simple concepts. I don't know how else to explain it to you. Do you think a crayon drawing would help? Perhaps i can act it out using puppets? Hitler was a christian, I have outlined to you how he was, according to his interpretation, Following the will of the almighty creator and carrying on jesus' fight against "jewish poison". You can stamp your feet all you like and wish that the most evil man who ever lived wasn't a member of your club, But the fact is he was. The only difference between hitler and other chistians was his interpretation of the text and the message it was sending.
A bit off topic, but, Bush, didn't start a crusade against Muslims he started a crusade against terrorist, it just so happens 90% of terrorist happen to be Muslim. Bush has his issues, but he's no Hitler. He has compassion for dead people weather they be Muslim or not. Hitler could care less either way.
A grey rep, saying, "u love Hitler? u are going to hell. you can see him their." In case there was some confusion, uh, Ole' Dolph Schickelgruber, uh, nope - not a fan.