Why do we support Egypt, Jordan, and other islamic countries, but no one ever asks about those. Nope, Ron Paul supporters will only ask about Israel. Makes ya wonder why Don't forget about the Arab lobby too.
The truth is that Ron Paul is against foreign aid in general. http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst060506.htm
This actually brings me to a question I had a bit ago, I hope you don't mind if I ask it webwork. If Ron Paul did get the White House do you think he would try to stop helping Isreal too? I know he is isolationist, but cutting help to Isreal would basically make reelection impossible for him (or any other candidate for that matter). That is why no one specifically says they don't want to help Isreal. Last guy to do it was Bush Sr. during his term in office and did he get reelected? No. What do you guys think about this?
But especially Israel. He can't stand those "neocons." RP use the term "neocon" (code word for Jews - you don't like em much either, huh Bryant?) more often than Rudy Guiliani mentions 9/11. And that's saying something. Everytime you hear RP saying "neocon" just insert the word "Jew."
Paul's not an isolationist. He just doesn't believe in spreading American values with guns. He's for cutting aid to everyone. It's our money, get rid of the tax, and let us donate on our own. People have no right to give my money to Pakistan, Israel or Egypt. That is wrong. Absolute nonsense. Bush and Cheney are neocons and neither is a Jew. Neocons are Neo-Conservatives. Romney and Giuliani are Neocons, one is a Mormon, and the other an Italian Catholic. Stop trying to spread lies GTech, you're squandering any reputation you had left in these forums.
guerilla, try again. Ron Paul is very much an isolationist. His rhetorical views (he has no accomplishments to stand on) are as anti-American as they get. Dismantle the IRS with no solution for how our government runs. Dismantle the federal government and take us back 300 years, when there are hundreds of millions LESS people, and hope for the best (or in his case, the worse). You've tried to align paul on the coattails of Reagan, but that never worked. Saying that Reagan was a non-interventionalist, but NP owned you on that fallacy. Face it, RP has no position, other than to dismantle everything. Dismantle the IRS with no solution to replace it or fund our country, dismantle agencies that protect our country, like the FBI and CIA, dismantle education, dismantle the department of {insert whatever you want here}. These are not solutions. This is suicide. A real man, with real leadership and a real vision would work to make America better, not tear down everything America has accomplished. But no, not Ron Paul. If something is not right with him, just tear it down, dissolve it, get rid of it. It will all work out. Yeah, it will all work out if you want to see America rot to the core, like so many of his supporters have demonstrated here time and again. Please, people are NOT that stupid. Yes, the young angry white male with low IQ crowd is "that dumb" to have hope in a man with no leadership experience or accomplishments, but they are generally people who sit around on forums knocking our country every day.
Same views as Mr. Republican (Robert Taft) and Mr. Conservative (Barry Goldwater). As far as his accomplishments, he's a hero to Veterans and Veterans associations. As a military veteran yourself, you should be aware of the legislation he has produced and amended for your benefit. Do you know any of the Bills you are reaping the rewards of his hard work on? I know he is looking out for your family members serving in Iraq today. Your guy wants to add a national sales tax on top of the IRS. Who the f**k is a conservative in this race? 300 years ago we were under British rule. C'mon GTech, know your history please. You've been owned on this as well GTech. I spent a whole thread owning you on this. Reagan didn't believe in pre-emptive war. He has a solution. Have you heard it? No wonder your candidate is attacked by the Club for Growth. You don't comprehend supply side economics. Re-organize. Are you happy with the job that the CIA and FBI did with 9/11? Oh wait, you still haven't read the 9/11 Commission report. You're in good company. Neither has Rudy. Do you know what year the Department of Education was created? Do you know that Reagan added removing the Dept. of Ed to the Republican party platform? Ad Hominem You mean Bush voters? Guys who voted for a deserter and someone who never had a real job a day in his life? The angry young men who blame everything on China or the Islamists? Yes, people are stupid. That's why they are going to elect a Democrat who is not only going to weaken national defense, but sell us out to global interests, while creating a massive welfare state and give millions of people amnesty. A Pro-War candidate is not going to win the election. You guys had 6 years to f**k around in Iraq. WWII took less time.
Exactly , actually ron paul mentioned we send more funding to our stooge arab couuntries than to isreal. I agree with Ron Paul that we should cut funding to all those countries, and let them help themselves and make peace with each other. We need that money for americans and america.
Good point. We should not be sending money to countries that hate us. I do believe in sending support to Israel. p.s. Why is USA supporting Egypt?
I do not believe in sending support to any of them. Nothing like letting our own citizens go hungry, but lets send money to those who hate us, and those who are not poor to begin with.
100% agreed and we all know if any of those other puppets are presidents the funding will continue to flow and the american people will end up paying for it financially.
I doubt that, but who really cares? That's all ron paul has...to hang on to the coattails of others. No accomplishments of his own. Not in the least bit. I've seen nothing to suggest he's a hero of Veterans and the military. He is not looking after current military members. He wants to (though it's probably a little late now) to secure an immediate defeat for America and our soldiers, because he believes they deserve it. He knows nothing about honor. I'll accept this as an outright lie on your part. You know this isn't true. Replace the IRS with fair tax. Unlike your candidate, who simply wants to eliminate the IRS with no plan in place. How the hell does he plan to fund our country/government? Oh, wait, he wants to dismantle everything. Get rid of the government. "I gots mine, says RP, screw everyone else." Who is the conservative? Mike Huckabee, by far. He actually has a record, unlike Ron Paul. Ron Paul has no record, no accomplishments, never managed a state level budget, never had responsibility, never led. You continue to overlook these things, or, perhaps, that's why you want him. Tear America down, yeah, that's the solution! I know it well. There you go again (sound familiar?) with the dishonesty. We are not talking about pre-emptive war, we are talking about RP's isolationist views and the absurdity that Reagan was a non-interventionalist. I'll play you the fool, if you continue to open the door like you did on this one. He has no solution. His solution to everything is to dismantle it, with no thought about the consequences or actions of his absurd and extremists views. He has no experience in these matters either. The CFG has long been debunked. I'll own you again on it, if you want. You know you have no ground. But then, RP has no experience in this area either. He's never led, never had to manage a state budget, never been tasked with any major responsibility at all. Dismantle. Don't try to play it down, by suggesting "reorganize." Don't try to blame the 9/11 commission report, that you have not read, on RP's extremists views of dismantling the CIA and FBI. RP believes America should be attacked. That's why he wants to ensure all agencies that are tasked with protecting our country, are dismantled. We've been down this road before. It was created shortly before Reagan took office, and BACK THEN, wanted to "take it back." That was then, this is today. Maybe you haven't noticed, but things have changed since then. Dismantling every government agency is NOT a solution. It's cowardly and wreaks of not having a clue about our country. In other words, I can't handle this, so I'll sweep it under the carpet of ad hominem. Lazy! A real man, with real leadership and a real vision would work to make America better, not tear down everything America has accomplished. But no, not Ron Paul. If something is not right with him, just tear it down, dissolve it, get rid of it. It will all work out. Yeah, it will all work out if you want to see America rot to the core, like so many of his supporters have demonstrated here time and again. More lies from guerilla? No surprise there. Wrong again. A pro-defense candidate will always win over a coward who openly declares he will do nothing to protect America. Over someone who seeks defeat at all costs, who blames America first (always), who subscribes to conspiracy theories, who writes racists newsletters that attract his base of supporters (anti-semites, 9/11 troofers, neonazis, white supremacists, anarchists). When new evidence of RP's ties to racists was uncovered, was the reaction of the RP forums? Blame it on the Jews, but of course! It's a zionist conspiracy! The more people see RP, the more they don't like him. He has the young angry white male with low IQ crowd wrapped around his finger. That's about it.
I agree, we really do need to solve our problems here first. Once that is done then by all means go help the other nations, but first solve our problems. Yea the funding will continue to flow because those organizations have so much lobbying power that they could ruin a politician's chance at reelection. Politics is a dirty game and sadly we the citizens are paying for it...
From ping's post, where RP supporters are slapping themselves on the ass, as usual: The irony here is, RP wants to let citizens of our country to hungry. His views are "I gots mine, screw the rest of America." No handouts, not assistance to others, get rid of the welfare state (because we know who THAT would target, eh?). RP's position is, fend for yourself. As if RP would do anything about the poor in our country is absurd. No entitlements, not support, no welfare, no nothing. Can't make it on your own, run into some tough times, need a helping hand? Don't call Ron Paul. He got his, so can you.
Or better yet, those who want to support a foreign country crack open their check books and put their money where their mouth is
I never said he would, nor did I say I'm for the welfare state. I actually am against the welfare system. I do support those who actually need it, so many though do not. I however would RATHER see the money go to our own citizens than abroad, but I know you'll twist that Gtech Even if we are not giving money back, the less we send overseas, the lower taxes can be, the lower product prices can be for the poor. It does help even the poor Gtech, if you want to admit it or not BTW I know lots of whites on welfare/assistance, you are so racist that you think only blacks are on welfare? How sad, yet you have the nerve to call others racist. You have pointed to it before at least, and appear to be doing so again.
Why does America send money to Israel? Because the Israeli lobby has our government in a choke hold and in their pockets. It is really shameful for some here who pretend to be "Patriots" and all about America first and yet when it comes to putting America FIRST and our interests and STOP giving away our tax dollars to Israel (which gets more money then any country out there) they seem to side with Israel more than the interests of the USA. Makes one wonder. Ohhh the hypocrisy of the likes of Gtech. I've called him on it many times, that he is a FAKE patriot and just look at his posts in this thread to see his true colors. He is calling all those that support America and OUR country FIRST names just to protect some country like Israel that does nothing but hurt our national security and just for the record, most of the hatred that the rest of the world has towards americans is because of our unjust, one sided and unconditional support of the terrorist state of Israel.